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George Kenney talks to Terry Tamminen, formerly the Secretary of California's Environmental Protection Agency and a top adviser to Governor Schwarzenegger, about the pointy end - getting environmental policies implemented.

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')This is the second of a two-part podcast series on environmental issues -- last week a conversation with Dr. Dennis Meadows about his systems theory analysis of limits to exponential growth, here a conversation with Terry Tamminen, former Secretary of the California EPA and a former senior advisor to Governor Schwarzenegger.

To be honest, given the choice between a theoretically pessimistic outlook and a pragmatically optimistic one, I'll choose the latter every time. Both, of course, are necessary, and what's especially interesting to me as a former bureaucrat is how different each mindset is from the other.

In carrying the subject over to Terry Tamminen, however, it didn't seem to be either appropriate or necessary to consider larger questions of limits as he is so focused on particular solutions. And, indeed, that's the only way we'll get out of the mess we're in, by taking practical solutions one step at a time.

I hope you enjoy this one. I think it's particularly good and I very much commend it to you.