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"Oil price drops by most in 17 years"

Postby emersonbiggins » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 15:48:45

I see the MSM is desperately trying to quell fears and push the market along on a string.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')APOil prices plummet over $6 amid economic fears
Tuesday July 15, 3:19 pm ET, By Adam Schreck, AP Business Writer
Oil prices plunge in massive sell-off fueled by fears of US economic woes, OPEC forecast
NEW YORK (AP) -- Oil prices fell harder than they have in 17 years Tuesday, as fears that record fuel prices are spreading broad economic pain led to the third big sell-off in just over a week.

Light, sweet crude plunged $6.44, or 4.4 percent, to settle at $138.74 in an extremely volatile session. Prices at one point dropped more than $10 a barrel from the day's high.

The turnaround may not signal a lasting shift in sentiment -- prices have swung violently in recent days as they flirted with record highs. But it does underscore investor uncertainty about the sustainability of sky-high prices and potentially long-lasting effects on the broader economy.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby Troyboy1208 » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 15:51:38

next headline: Oil up by most since Earth formation
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby jlw61 » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 15:55:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut it does underscore investor uncertainty about the sustainability of sky-high prices and potentially long-lasting effects on the broader economy.

Sustainability of sky-high prices??? How about the unsastainability of low oil prices? In 10 years we're going to be amazed at the low cost of $150 oil and $20 oil will seem like a myth.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby DefiledEngine » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 15:56:23

Won't be surprised if oil prices will change by 20$ in an hour, as much as one barrel was worth in total only some 10 years ago.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby syrac818 » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 16:04:26

What?? LOL...
You guys, oil did drop by the most in 17 years. And yeah, that's going to be the headline. I know mainstream media hasn't given peak oil the attention it deserves, I know we don't get enough honest voices about conservation, and I know the endless predictions from analysts about it simply being a "bubble" are beyond tiresome.

But I hardly see the fact that oil's largest drop in 17 years made the headline as "the MSM is desperately trying to quell fears and push the market along on a string".
Sometimes man, this place. Just gets a little too into it's own world.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby Kingcoal » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 16:06:23

I was watching CNBC at the time. The price dropped $9 literally in 5 minutes. That's a little strange to me, I've never seen anything like it. Then it recovered about $3. The government is doing everything to try to break the selling "psychology." Bernanke looked scared to death while testifying and tried to explain peak oil to congress, it was historic.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby emersonbiggins » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 16:13:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('syrac818', 'S')ometimes man, this place. Just gets a little too into it's own world.

"Reaches new record high" just doesn't provoke the emotive response as "Oil drops by most in 17 years."
Connotations.

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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby Cashmere » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 16:43:35

Always look for the spin, or you'll get all turned about.
1. Oil was at 145. So a 10 dollar drop is a 6.8% drop. Is that the number they were using? 6.8%? Or were they using the absolute dollar amount?

2. Did they cite the final drop? That is, what the drop was for the day? Or did they cite the biggest change for the day? So if oil goes up 5 then down 20 then up 15 to finish even, does that mean "oil dropped most in one day?"

3. Are we talking about inflation adjusted dollars? Given that the dollar has lost about 1/2 its value in 20 years, a 10 dollar drop today is only a 5 dollar drop then.

All in all, the 10 dollar drop is not newsworthy, but I wouldn't say the MSM is conspiring to paint a rosy picture.

It's just ignorance all the way around, from publishers to viewers.

It'll be news if we get back to 100. Anything less than that is just expected market fluctuations.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby heroineworshipper » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 17:13:43

A house in Calif* dropped by the most ever, all the way down to $700,000.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby yesplease » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 17:14:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '"')Reaches new record high" just doesn't provoke the emotive response as "Oil drops by most in 17 years."
Fer sure. A new record high is the most it's been ever, while the biggest drop during the past couple decades is just something we haven't seen since the 80s/90s, it just don't do as much and the highest ever IMO.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby kokoda » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 17:16:28

Just a couple of bumps in the curve ... the trend is still up.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby emersonbiggins » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 17:21:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '"')Reaches new record high" just doesn't provoke the emotive response as "Oil drops by most in 17 years."
Fer sure. A new record high is the most it's been ever, while the biggest drop during the past couple decades is just something we haven't seen since the 80s/90s, it just don't do as much and the highest ever IMO.

Perhaps if "record high" was accompanied by "OMFG!!1!11! - like higher than it's ever been!," I'd trust that the reaction by J6P would be on a similar scale as he will undoubtedly express with "drops by most in 17 years."
Hell, perhaps it isn't worth my arguing about... :oops:
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby misterno » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 17:42:20

the bottom line is we are all farked at the end
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby ohcomeon » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 17:53:29

The funny thing is, even after the "record drop" today, the price of a barrel was still in the high 130's, and that was a record high just weeks back...

Maybe it's not a conspiracy. But some perspective would be nice.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby Cashmere » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 18:11:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ohcomeon', 'T')he funny thing is, even after the "record drop" today, the price of a barrel was still in the high 130's, and that was a record high just weeks back... Maybe it's not a conspiracy. But some perspective would be nice.

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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby alokin » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 18:35:27

the story tells more about the state of the US economy than of oil.
look at bloomberg:

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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby Jester » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 18:39:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('syrac818', 'W')hat?? LOL... You guys, oil did drop by the most in 17 years. And yeah, that's going to be the headline. I know mainstream media hasn't given peak oil the attention it deserves, I know we don't get enough honest voices about conservation, and I know the endless predictions from analysts about it simply being a "bubble" are beyond tiresome. But I hardly see the fact that oil's largest drop in 17 years made the headline as "the MSM is desperately trying to quell fears and push the market along on a string". Sometimes man, this place. Just gets a little too into it's own world.

Ya know, I've watched all this for a few years now, and one thing has remained constant. Price going up produces a lot less stories than price going down. I cannot even count the number of times prices rose by a couple dollars, then fell by a buck, and the only story you'd see was "Oil prices tumble!".

When in just over 6 months we've seen prices go from around $90 a barrel to just under $150, I'm sorry, but the bouncing fluctuations caused by the speculators isn't the story. The fact that seemingly no matter what is happening, the price continues to push up, is the story.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby Ferretlover » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 19:00:27

And, 17 years ago a barrel of oil was how much?
Just remember: with the price of oil is two steps forward, one step back.
With the Dow, it is two steps backward, and one step forward.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby dohboi » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 19:09:42

The headline should be about the high level of volatility in oil prices, but this does not sound very comforting. High volatility is exactly what we expect to be happening at this point.
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Re: "Oil drops by most in 17 years"

Postby Ferretlover » Tue 15 Jul 2008, 19:12:02

What gets me is that Bush has lifted the ban on drilling, and wants Congress to go along with that choice.
Does no-one in MSM seen this as an indication that things are getting Really bad?
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