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Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby roccman » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 17:33:36

Sanders Research

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ul/09/2008
Political leaders are bewildered by the energy crisis. They want immediate solutions to problems that have festered for decades. Real solutions are long-term, so when those are mentioned they are dismissed because they would have no immediate impact. However there are several ways to immediately reduce fuel use nationwide. Each step may seem small, but prices have surged because demand is slightly higher than supply. Cutting national fuel consumption by just 2% would lower fuel prices.


    Free Mass Transit Days

    Cut Mail Delivery Days

    Reduce Junk Mail

    Slow Down the Mail

    Cut Military Steaming Days and Flying Hours

    Eliminate Military Air Show Demonstration Squadrons

    Fund Expressway Bus Stops

    Warn Government Agencies to Cut Back

    Educate Drivers on Energy Savings

    Address the Nation


Frankly - 2% is like pissing in a volcano, so it goes.

With a minimum of a conservative 4-8% decline (not including ELM)...we cannot run fast enough to stand still.

These and a long list of other "strategies" will be thrown at the "problem"...before long.

Bottom line - YOU will not be driving shortly and YOUR children will never drive if currently 14 years old or younger.

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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby vilemerchant » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 15:26:08

Imagine the total amount of energy and resources the US Navy uses sending those massive carrier battle groups around the world to intimidate other nations. :(
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby timmac » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 17:16:32

vilemerchant wrote :
Imagine the total amount of energy and resources the US Navy uses sending those massive carrier battle groups around the world to intimidate other nations.


Yes this is a real big waste of energy and tax $$$,, but if we didnt do it than Iran, Russia and china would be at our shores......
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby burtonridr » Thu 10 Jul 2008, 17:20:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'v')ilemerchant wrote :
Imagine the total amount of energy and resources the US Navy uses sending those massive carrier battle groups around the world to intimidate other nations.


Yes this is a real big waste of energy and tax $$$,, but if we didnt do it than Iran, Russia and china would be at our shores......


Bullshit!

They want you to believe that load of shit.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby timmac » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 02:29:51

burtonridr wrote :
Bullshit!

They want you to believe that load of crap.



Yea, and if you think China, Russia or Iran would not want more of there sub's parked off our shores you are crazy,, I did some time in the Navy and will tell you there is alot more that goes on out at sea with all those military ships that would make you change your decision...
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby doodlebug2 » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 08:02:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'b')urtonridr wrote :
Bullshit!

They want you to believe that load of crap.



Yea, and if you think China, Russia or Iran would not want more of there sub's parked off our shores you are crazy,, I did some time in the Navy and will tell you there is alot more that goes on out at sea with all those military ships that would make you change your decision...


I do not think the poster was saying to abondon the navy and the subs from there duties, I think he was just saying cut back on some things. Nobody wants the Chinese, Russians, Iranians (have subs??) to be unchallenged. But living in total fear of being invaded seems unreal.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 08:15:17

Back in the topic, it is like pissing at a volcano. But we use so much energy and oil in a non efficient way, that it could make a little bit of a difference. Cutting the globalization crap and producing locally more and more would be a great help.

It would be like having all the people in the world pissing at the volcano at the same time.

Do I believe everyone would join the bandwagon of conservation? Nah! Wish they would, though.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 08:16:23

Back in the topic, it is like pissing at a volcano. But we use so much energy and oil in a non efficient way, that it could make a little bit of a difference. Cutting the globalization crap and producing locally more and more would be a great help.

It would be like having all the people in the world pissing at the volcano at the same time.

Do I believe everyone would join the bandwagon of conservation? Nah! Wish they would, though.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby VMarcHart » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 08:20:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..prices have surged because demand is slightly higher than supply.
Slightly?!?! From oil to shampoo to bic pens to whatever you can think, we're consuming everything like there's no ... tomorrow.
Well, perharps we're on to something.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby VMarcHart » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 08:26:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'Y')es this is a real big waste of energy and tax $$$, but if we didn't do it than Iran, Russia and China would be at our shores.
Off topic, I wonder what we did to them to have they want to be at our shores. I don't think they threw the first stone.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby Electric_Economy_2025 » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 14:20:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vilemerchant', 'I')magine the total amount of energy and resources the US Navy uses sending those massive carrier battle groups around the world to intimidate other nations. :(



The U.S. military uses about 500,000 barrels of oil a day that's a drop is in the bucket compared to what the U.S commuters uses each day to get to work.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby kpeavey » Sun 13 Jul 2008, 00:49:41

Drive up to the window, get a hamburger an be on your way in a couple minutes.

Get online, talk to and see your mother in real time, half way around the world.

Want something and have to wait for delivery? For an extra $12, you can have it shipped overnight.

Best of all, it's microwavable.

So much of the world has moved to instant gratification. Good things come to those who wait. Why wait, when you can have it instantly.


Peak Oil is a problem for which there is no instant solution. He11, it doesn't even have a technical solution. The world has already waited too long, ignoring the problem in favor of the more pressing issues of the day. Had we taken the necessary steps to mitigate the problem 20 years ago, it would have been an urgent project even then.

The people expect a problem to be solved when it presents. Take a pill, a phone call, make a quick stop at the store, throw some money at it, just buy a new one. They will support whatever it takes to fix a problem, as long as it does not interfere with their lifestyle.

Everyone is all for energy conservation. Somehow this does not jive with the fact there are tanning salons in the state of Florida, hundreds of them. Conservation is all well and good, but the fact remains it does not help. All it does is help keep the price more stable. Without demand destruction, consumption will continue unabated. The fact is that most of the people will not conserve unless it is forced upon them. Conservation legislation does not exist and won't pass any elected legislature. Conservation is synonymous with economic contraction. Too many lobbies in bed with just about every elected official out there for new laws to be passed, let alone funded and enforced.

Conservation will occur, there are forces out there at play as we speak which will enforce it. White's Law. The invisible hand of the market will be that which compels the people to conserve, which will drive them to change their ways. There is not a solution, there is only a response: Powerdown.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sun 13 Jul 2008, 01:09:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')utting national fuel consumption by just 2% would lower fuel prices.


China is now the one that sneezes, not the US. Our heyday is over.

They will consume whatever we conserve with gusto.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sun 13 Jul 2008, 01:17:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Electric_Economy_2025', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vilemerchant', 'I')magine the total amount of energy and resources the US Navy uses sending those massive carrier battle groups around the world to intimidate other nations. :(



The U.S. military uses about 500,000 barrels of oil a day that's a drop is in the bucket compared to what the U.S commuters uses each day to get to work.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Unsurprisingly, its oil consumption for aircraft, ships, ground vehicles and facilities makes the Pentagon the single largest oil consumer in the world. By the way, according to the 2006 CIA World Factbook rankings there are only 35 countries (out of 210) in the world that consume more oil per day than the Pentagon.


http://www.energybulletin.net/node/26194
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby kpeavey » Sun 13 Jul 2008, 04:08:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Montequest', '
')China is now the one that sneezes, not the US. Our heyday is over.

They will consume whatever we conserve with gusto.


All we do with conservation is offer fuel at a fair price to the nation most likely and able to be a future aggressor.

It is better the US continue its ways of conspicuous and superfluous consumption, lest the Chinese be allowed to develop.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby skeptik » Sun 13 Jul 2008, 04:38:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')utting national fuel consumption by just 2% would lower fuel prices.


China is now the one that sneezes, not the US. Our heyday is over.


I prefer to think of the USA and China as siamese twins economically joined at the hip. US corporate investment in China is enormous, ditto its reliance on Chinese manufactured goods. Hurt one country and you hurt the other.

That's the current situation. Of course, things might change.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby kpeavey » Sun 13 Jul 2008, 04:41:37

I find your Siamese twin analogy to be entirely relevant in this particular situation.
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Re: Instant Solutions to High Fuel Costs

Unread postby VMarcHart » Sun 13 Jul 2008, 08:20:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Electric_Economy_2025', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vilemerchant', 'I')magine the total amount of energy and resources the US Navy uses sending those massive carrier battle groups around the world to intimidate other nations. :(
The U.S. military uses about 500,000 barrels of oil a day that's a drop is in the bucket compared to what the U.S commuters uses each day to get to work.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Unsurprisingly, its oil consumption for aircraft, ships, ground vehicles and facilities makes the Pentagon the single largest oil consumer in the world. By the way, according to the 2006 CIA World Factbook rankings there are only 35 countries (out of 210) in the world that consume more oil per day than the Pentagon.
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/26194
I was wondering if such statistic existed. Good catch. Thanks.

So there is instant solution to US high fuel costs. Of course, it will NEVER pass.
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