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Too late to Prep?

Postby allenwrench » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 11:20:40

In another thread discussing whether educate sheeple or not with PO indoctrination

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One member thinks it is too late to prep in a meaningful way.

Now, I tend to agree that everyone cannot prep in a way that will avert disaster. Though I believe there are a certain amount of sheeple that can restructure their lives.

But this question also brings up the topic of cut off date and if it is in fact too late to prep meaningfully?


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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby skyemoor » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 11:29:48

No, otherwise we would have a forum entitled "Too Late to Prepare for the Future". Assess, Plan, Act, and reassess as you go.
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby darwinsdog » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 11:31:35

Does it do any good to prep?

Suppose you prep & a fire or flood destroys all your work. Or the govt. seizes your assets, or a hungry mob rips you off, or you break your leg & can't work your plan... Then what?

If you haven't lived some sort of a low impact lifestyle all along, you're going to have a pretty steep learning curve once you're forced to retrofit your life to the new reality. You're going to make a lot of dumb mistakes. You're not going to be very efficient with the resources you do have. You're going to have accidents. And what if it's a decade or more until TS really HTF? All the scythes & misery whips you've stockpiled may seem pretty silly. So is prepping even rational? Is it really worth the bother?
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby Ferretlover » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 11:55:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'B')ut this question also brings up the topic of cut off date and if it is in fact too late to prep meaningfully?

No, it is not too late to begin or continue preparations. Going back to a more basic and logical lifestyle, oh, say something like pre-WWII, is a good idea. The fact that those who are Able to reason, now see a a more imperative reason to prepare for a drastically different future, should be taken as an indication that it would be wise to evaluate current choices in one's lifestyle.
No-one is going to know what the exact timetable is/was until it is a matter of hindsight.
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby Ludi » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 12:28:32

No! No! No! It's not too late to prepare!

Get on it!


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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby Heineken » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 13:39:54

There are many scenarios under which you could benefit by making some preparations now, even if all you do is buy a box of candles and lay away a few crates of canned food. Those two simple steps alone could make a huge difference if your area's electrical power was knocked out for several weeks or months.

In a scenario of rapid total collapse, I do not believe that preparations will buy most people more than some short and very stressful extra time. But there will be exceptions to this, and you might be one of the lucky ones.

If nothing else, make preparations for as quick, certain, and painless a death as possible. Then at least you have some meaningful control over the final chapter.
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby threadbear » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 13:43:34

Starting Monday, it's going to start hitting people, en masse, that something about their model of reality is painfully out of whack. It will take them another 2 weeks to a month to process it, and another couple of weeks to act on it. So get cracking! Don't panic, but for Gawd's sakes, don't put off prepping, at this point.
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby Heineken » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 13:52:27

I assume you're referring to the failure of IndyMac Bank? Do you think this could result in a run on more US banks, "starting Monday"?
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby threadbear » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 14:07:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') assume you're referring to the failure of IndyMac Bank? Do you think this could result in a run on more US banks, "starting Monday"?


Indy Mac is part of it. Freddy and Fannie are the big ones, though. The dollar is going to drop through the floor.
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby Ferretlover » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 14:59:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') assume you're referring to the failure of IndyMac Bank? Do you think this could result in a run on more US banks, "starting Monday"?

The Sr Editor for some financial magazine, said this morning on CNN that the FDIC has a list of 90 "troubled" banks; that as long as customers had less than 100k in any one account, they were going to be fine. The anchorwoman said that there was one-half a billion uninsured customer dollars that were gone. (haven't looked for a link yet).
That's a lot of money that is no longer available to buy preps.
90 banks? There are going to be a lot more unhappy people.
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby allenwrench » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 15:02:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('darwinsdog', 'D')oes it do any good to prep?
Suppose you prep & a fire or flood destroys all your work. Or the govt. seizes your assets, or a hungry mob rips you off, or you break your leg & can't work your plan... Then what?
If you haven't lived some sort of a low impact lifestyle all along, you're going to have a pretty steep learning curve once you're forced to retrofit your life to the new reality. You're going to make a lot of dumb mistakes. You're not going to be very efficient with the resources you do have. You're going to have accidents. And what if it's a decade or more until TS really HTF? All the scythes & misery whips you've stockpiled may seem pretty silly. So is prepping even rational? Is it really worth the bother?

Yes, tons of IF's, AND's and BUT's that could happen. We just don't know. We just do what we can and hope for the best.
But I do the footwork to do what I can do, irrespective of all the 'what ifs' that people throw up for excuses to do nothing.

As futurists we try to anticipate future events and the direction the world is headed in and as survivalists we try to prepare for those circumstances.

Mental preparedness and physical fitness are the foundations of all our survival quests. For the mind guides the body, but an unfit body is not able to respond to the minds guidance.

Sometimes we can get stuck in a a place of constantly looking and never finding. In short, we can get stuck in a state of "analysis paralysis." We tell ourselves we need to assemble all the facts before we can start and as perfectionists we never seem to have *all* the facts that allow us to perfectly act. I

Other times we get so bombarded with facts and theories that we could never act on all of them anyway. Another issue is that of fear and pleasure. It is much more pleasurable sometimes being a student than having to go out in the world and apply what we have studied for so long.

I used to do be stuck with analysis paralysis with books. I would get all the books I thought I needed to perfect an area of study, but would shove them aside to read at later date due to the massive quantities I would assemble. I really planned to read them all...when I had more time. The Greco-Roman philosopher Epictetus reminds us "It is not reasonings that are wanted now; for there are books stuffed full of reasonings."

No, knowledge without application is useless. Well, that time never came and all it produced was massive amounts of clutter and low self worth. I would think the answer to my problems was in another area of study and start afresh with more books in that area and on and on.

I now try to apply simplicity to my work now and look for minimums and not maximums. Once we have enough concepts in hand (the basics) we can start applying them to restructuring our new life - no need to wait - just start where your at.
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby allenwrench » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 15:08:44

Even in the best of time it pays to learn self-sufficiency. It frees you from the current reigning paradigm that demands you to consume and spend. You make a tiny garden on your window sill, deck, or along a south facing wall in the back yard. You observe the seasons, pests, soil temperature and humidity. You count days and harvest. You can learn about the entire world in drop of water.
Absolutely!
And to the prev responder: you make your mistakes when they do not count so much. We don't want to learn when it is life or death.
Panic is for those not prepared. We develop self confidence by mastering the skills needed to overcome any situation that arises to threaten our life

Sometimes we jump the gun with survival mania and do it in an unbalanced way.

The way I work my survival preparedness is to do the footwork, prepare, educate and hold it on the back burner unless needed. Until that need, I just live life the best I can.
Without that mindset one cannot be at peace with life, as we are always looking for doom and gloom every day...every hour...every minute. And some survivalists seem to be disappointed if the don't get disaster!

This gives you your base. If things seem to be heading to code orange, step it up a notch. If code red is about to hit, I'm sure you will know it and it is time to implement your plan to the fullest.

So you switch gears from being a short term survivalist to a longer term one.

One important note. Hoarding food is not the same as being able to produce food. So I would suggest anyone interested in survival seriously learn to grow their own as well as be master foragers if your local is conducive for foraging.
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby Ludi » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 15:09:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', '
')I now try to apply simplicity to my work now and look for minimums and not maximums. Once we have enough concepts in hand (the basics) we can start applying them to restructuring our new life - no need to wait - just start where your at.



For me, and I think for you too allenwrench, from what I've read by you, it's the living of it that's important, living the way we want to now. :)
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby allenwrench » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 15:18:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', '
')I now try to apply simplicity to my work now and look for minimums and not maximums. Once we have enough concepts in hand (the basics) we can start applying them to restructuring our new life - no need to wait - just start where your at.



For me, and I think for you too allenwrench, from what I've read by you, it's the living of it that's important, living the way we want to now. :)



Well, we have all developed lifestyles - either we like em or not. If we like em, we will try to transfer as much of that life into the new post carbon world.

Survival is also about comfort...we try to be as comfortable as possible in uncomfortable circumstances. When we get too uncomfortable we die.

All this being said, I also practice toughness training for the new world living.


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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby DantesPeak » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 15:23:27

The best part of this thread is the graphics.

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It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby green_achers » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 17:13:10

the best prep you can make is making friends and close ties with as wide and diverse a community of people as possible.
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby Heineken » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 17:32:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') assume you're referring to the failure of IndyMac Bank? Do you think this could result in a run on more US banks, "starting Monday"?

The Sr Editor for some financial magazine, said this morning on CNN that the FDIC has a list of 90 "troubled" banks; that as long as customers had less than 100k in any one account, they were going to be fine. The anchorwoman said that there was one-half a billion uninsured customer dollars that were gone. (haven't looked for a link yet).
That's a lot of money that is no longer available to buy preps.
90 banks? There are going to be a lot more unhappy people.


I think the FDIC has less than $60 billion in its own piggy bank to hand out to dispossessed depositors. In a major run on banks, that fund would be quickly exhausted. At that point it would start handing out potentially worthless IOUs to all depositors, not just those with more than $100K.
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Re: Too late to Prep?

Postby seazar » Sat 12 Jul 2008, 17:34:46

Prep'ing should become a way of life and it should be ongoing. There are many things that could go seriously wrong and by preparing for one of them, you are preparing for most of them :)
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