[Rogozhin]

Your monads are also beautiful (even with smudged windows). I try to tell people that I meet, when I'm in public, that they are beautiful (costco today). I do believe that it helps.

It is the same as trying to knock sense into someone that is neck deep in the shit of our civilization. I recently started dating a woman that is very intelligent, but will not accept that this world view of increasing consumption is tenable (she called me a hippy). Should I impregnate her to make manifest how I feel?

[Cashmere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') recently started dating a woman that is very intelligent, but will not accept that this world view of increasing consumption is tenable

[hermit]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rogozhin', 'Y')our monads are also beautiful (even with smudged windows). I try to tell people that I meet, when I'm in public, that they are beautiful (costco today). I do believe that it helps.

[Rogozhin]

I also have an aerobie with an insigina; "Peak oil is a myth, no real numbers" that I gave to her daughter.

I also explained Pascals wager and made it clear that the mind and the body are well worth a fight. She countered that educational reform is the most important action to pursue (and local community support).

"To live alone one must be either a god or an animal." Aristotle

None of you are gods, so you'll have to work within the paridigm.

[Narz]

Your avatar is super cute.

Ignore what the girl thinks, just prepare yourself (including prepare to separate if need be).

Life is beautiful but everything changes and that's part of the beauty. Don't get "stuck in the moment" (a dream of a moment that never really was). Just enjoy and prep and.... don't listen to me cause my life is a mess.

Anyways, I'm happy that you're happy. It's good of you to try to make people feel a bit better. Everyone got told no 8,000 and yes thrice (when they shut up & stopped questioning) and are all hurtin'. Every little bit helps and being unpopular amongst your neighbors in the post-oil era is not a good idea.

In many, love is stronger than fear. Those are the ones you want.

[Rogozhin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'Y')our avatar is super cute.

Ignore what the girl thinks, just prepare yourself (including prepare to separate if need be).

Life is beautiful but everything changes and that's part of the beauty. Don't get "stuck in the moment" (a dream of a moment that never really was). Just enjoy and prep and.... don't listen to me cause my life is a mess.

Anyways, I'm happy that you're happy. It's good of you to try to make people feel a bit better. Everyone got told no 8,000 and yes thrice (when they shut up & stopped questioning) and are all hurtin'. Every little bit helps and being unpopular amongst your neighbors in the post-oil era is not a good idea.

In many, love is stronger than fear. Those are the ones you want.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rogozhin', 'I') recently started dating a woman that is very intelligent, but will not accept that this world view of increasing consumption is tenable (she called me a hippy). Should I impregnate her to make manifest how I feel?

[Heineken]

Don't you mean "untenable," Rogo? Or "not tenable"?

Every once in a while I've had that feeling of universal love---usually when I've been taking a narcotic painkiller. It is a glorious feeling. But it never lasts, because there is so much conflicting evidence, namely, evidence that most people are selfish and dangerous jerks.

[Nano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'A')ny person who is presented with the data who cannot conclude that PO is here and will devastate our world . . .

. . . isn't really intelligent.

They may be book smart, they may be well spoken, they may have gotten a 1600 on their SATs.

But if you overlook something as simple as PO when you have the evidence you need at your disposal, you're a dumb ass destined for extinction.

[darwinsdog]

Yes, knock her up. It's better to copulate than never. Darwinian fitness is all that counts once you're dead.

And btw, I'm a gnarly old bastard. I am not "beautiful."

[Commanding_Heights]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')But if you overlook something as simple as PO when you have the evidence you need at your disposal, you're a dumb ass destined for extinction.

[Fishman]

Rogozhin
To the only question you asked in your thread, I would counsel practice, practice, practice, bringing great joy to both if possible. Completion of the task should only come about when one is prepared as one can be.
Try being called a conservative "hippie" by your kids, lots of head scratching with that one.

Heineken
Buck up my fellow. Though we tangle frequently on politics, your counsel on things agricultural has inspired me to plant different things, try different plants, prepare for other challenges. If even a few have read your threads and this stuff plays out to be as bad as some think, you have saved lives and inspired others. For this I thank you.

[Nano]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '&')lt;snip tired blah blah we all know already.>
You MBA friend is delusional. He is no closer to power than you are. Unless he someone's chamber maid, valet, whore, or pimp he is probably just like you--an outsider watching the game, occasionally being thrown scraps to keep him compliant and competitive.

[Waterthrush]

Nano, I believe you: such people, discussions, flows, and powers exist. Nonetheless I think you may be excluding the other possibilities for existence that are out there. For one thing, if one simply rejects the premise that money and power are the only things worth striving for, other existences open up.

At that point, a modest standard of living provides a much broader set of possible activities It is true, though, that these very rich people inevitably come to strip folks of even that - and that they have the power to do it. And they also have the power to thwart all the good things that people are striving to accomplish, e.g. restoration of eco-systems. Which is why Peak Oil offers some intriguing possibilities to adapt to the world's realities.

Because these very rich are so insulated that they will try to buy time - and they will be successful - in staving off the problems that others face. But they will be less able to realize the challenges to the "power flows" as they currently exist.

And if the rest of us pay attention and take advantage of our opportunities (not only financial ones), we can change these flows.

Yesterday Steven Pearlstein wrote a much-quoted business column in the Washington Post. Money quote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the end, what matters most is that we get through it as quickly as possible with an economy and a financial system intact.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'H')eineken
Buck up my fellow. Though we tangle frequently on politics, your counsel on things agricultural has inspired me to plant different things, try different plants, prepare for other challenges. If even a few have read your threads and this stuff plays out to be as bad as some think, you have saved lives and inspired others. For this I thank you.

[threadbear]

People who think they are in the loop, in Europe, are in for a big surprise. The economic collapse could be worse in Europe than in the U.S., eventually. Unfortunately, Europe has engaged in some of the worst aspects of deregulation in their financial industry, too, so they have limited protection, when the rot sets in. The people at the apex of the financial industry had better be careful, and resilient enough to get out of the way, before it seizes up, because seize up, it will.

Socialist democracies can't have it both ways. They can't engage in the most dangerous capitalist practices AND have vast social programs. Something has to give.

BTW, I am a socialist democrat, so this isn't coming from a raving right winger.

[Cashmere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')orrying about peak oil and 'going public' with it, and other such so-called 'critical' issues, is pointless and worse: it will put you outside the flow of money and of power.

It all goes to show: even though you might think that people that ignore peak oil are not intelligent, in fact the joke is on people that *do not* ignore it - AKA hippies - who thereby reduce their chances at the feeding trough that is world capitalism.

So get real, get serious, put on a smile, and stop being such a bore! Razz