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Re: Cantarell Esta Muriendo (. . . is dying)

Postby cualcrees » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 22:18:30

[quote="ROCKMAN"]cualcrees,

I'll second Dante's statement. I've spent in Mexico...did field work there as a young geologist a lifetime ago. I've always felt the Mexican people could really develop their society if they could take control from the elite power structure. But knowledge is power and the state did a great job of keeping them in the dark for generations. It will very sickening to watch their realization that they have been truly abandoned by those who pretended to be their protectors.

Yeah, the general feeling here in Mexico, is that all of our politicians are crooks who are only in it for the money; we've been robed blind for generations and, truth be told, I don't see it stopping anytime soon... (I guess it's like that everywhere, right!? :P) God knows what's gonna happen once the people in Mexico realize the truth about our "precious" oil and its demise.
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Re: Cantarell Esta Muriendo (. . . is dying)

Postby 35Kas » Tue 08 Jul 2008, 04:25:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou know what I've been thinking lately? From what I understand, the U.S. gets a lot of its imported oil from Mexico; so it worries me to think what could eventually happen if my government where to decide - specially now that our oil production is in BIG decline -, to stop selling it to the U.S. and to conserve it for domestic use. Do you envision a scenario like that happening? If so, how do you think the U.S. government would react?

Knowing what you [hopefully] know from [recent] history and how American society works, are you really unable to reach the only logical conclusion to this scenario or are you simply baiting for the answer you already know?

The writing has been on the wall for all those who care to read it for a few decades now. The Mexican people's window of opportunity has long come and gone and they are now living their unraveling destiny. This will be a preview to the Main Event.
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Re: Cantarell Esta Muriendo (. . . is dying)

Postby ReducedToZero » Tue 08 Jul 2008, 05:08:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'W')hatever - I'm a doomer because I get it, and I don't look for the little glittery sequins sparkling from the steaming turd load the dog dropped in the front room carpet because he ate a kid's doll earlier that day - I leave that job to you.
Mind if I use that in my quote line :lol:

I was JUST about to ask that as well hahhaa
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Re: Cantarell Esta Muriendo (. . . is dying)

Postby burtonridr » Tue 08 Jul 2008, 10:22:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'B')ienvenidos al Club de Peak Oil. He tenido la misma experiencia, hablando con la gente aqui. No sabe, ni quiere saber.
Estamos en una situacion muy mala.Creo que la unica solucion es la communidad.
Nosotros tenemos mas dinero, pero ustedes en Mexico tienen mas communidad. Va a ser muy interesante.

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Re: Cantarell Esta Muriendo (. . . is dying)

Postby DantesPeak » Tue 08 Jul 2008, 20:29:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cualcrees', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'c')ualcrees, I'll second Dante's statement. I've spent in Mexico...did field work there as a young geologist a lifetime ago. I've always felt the Mexican people could really develop their society if they could take control from the elite power structure. But knowledge is power and the state did a great job of keeping them in the dark for generations. It will very sickening to watch their realization that they have been truly abandoned by those who pretended to be their protectors.
Yeah, the general feeling here in Mexico, is that all of our politicians are crooks who are only in it for the money; we've been robed blind for generations and, truth be told, I don't see it stopping anytime soon... (I guess it's like that everywhere, right!? :P) God knows what's gonna happen once the people in Mexico realize the truth about our "precious" oil and its demise.

I am not an expert on NAFTA, but if I understand this correctly then the US, Mexico, and Canada must sell oil, oil products, and natural gas to each other at market prices.

Also in regards to ROCKMAN's statement, NAFTA also provided for production/profit sharing in the part of the Gulf of Mexico known as the 'doughnut' (for some reason unknown to me). Therefore US companies could possibly (is?) develop oil resources that may be shared with Mexico. However I don't think this area have especially large oil reserves.
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Re: Cantarell Esta Muriendo (. . . is dying)

Postby misterno » Tue 08 Jul 2008, 22:19:33

Mexico is big time farked. Now, I need to decide when to short Mexican Bolsa Index. This shit will eventually hit their stock market. But how and when is the question...
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Re: Cantarell Esta Muriendo (. . . is dying)

Postby DantesPeak » Tue 08 Jul 2008, 22:28:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'M')exico is big time farked. Now, I need to decide when to short Mexican Bolsa Index. This crap will eventually hit their stock market. But how and when is the question...

It may go up in peso terms due to they have a history of restorting to inflationary policies in a crisis.
In dollar terms, it may just keep on dropping starting about next year - or possibly even sooner.
It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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Output plummets at huge Mexican oilfield

Postby KevO » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 02:34:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')roduction at Mexico’s Cantarell oil complex, one of the world’s largest, has plummeted by a third in the past year, an indication the country could lose self-sufficiency in oil in the medium term.

Average daily production dropped to slightly more than 1m barrels a day in May compared with more than 1.6m b/d in the same month last year, according to the energy ministry.

Mexico’s total oil production fell about 10 per cent in the past 12 months to 2.79m b/d in May. That was only marginally above April’s output, which was the lowest in a decade.

“This is not a good sign,” said George Baker, head of energia.com, a Houston-based consultancy. “But it does at least strengthen the government’s position that there is an approaching crisis in oil production.”


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Re: Cantarell Esta Muriendo (. . . is dying)

Postby 3aidlillahi » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 04:29:12

Oh man. I remember the days when Cantarell was declining at a rate of 13% a year. Remember those days, guys?

Then it was 15%...Then 17%...Then 20%. Then 25% and now 34%! This seriously can't get any higher, can it? At some point it's gotta stabilize (say 40%?) and then come back down as the field is producing squat. Seems like there's always a tail end, especially at these prices.

I remember doing the calculations a few years ago and found that oil exports account for 10% of the Mexican economy! (This number is a little different now with higher prices and lower exports, though.) When they were "rolling" in oil dough, they were still exporting a million of their citizens to the US. What's that number going to get to when their exports become imports?
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Re: Cantarell Esta Muriendo (. . . is dying)

Postby TheDude » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 06:39:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'I') am not an expert on NAFTA, but if I understand this correctly then the US, Mexico, and Canada must sell oil, oil products, and natural gas to each other at market prices.

Here is an interesting doc on this subject: CUPE warns Mexico of NAFTA energy ‘trap’ < Global Justice | CUPE
It seems heretofore, since production in Mexico has been wholly nationalized and certain exemptions were negotiated regarding Mexico's energy export obligations in NAFTA, they've avoided the pitfall Canada is in, where 60-65% of Canadian energy output must be directed south, even in the face of domestic shortages. This would also apply the moment Mexico begins to allow foreign energy companies into the country, they could sue the Mexican government in international court for failure to follow NAFTA regulations. Whether this is part of the furor over allowing them to do so at the moment, I'm not sure. Who knows what kind of arrangements would be in the offing with the SPP.
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Re: Cantarell Esta Muriendo (. . . is dying)

Postby Micki » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 06:51:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')h man. I remember the days when Cantarell was declining at a rate of 13% a year. Remember those days, guys?
Then it was 15%...Then 17%...Then 20%. Then 25% and now 34%! This seriously can't get any higher, can it? At some point it's gotta stabilize (say 40%?) and then come back down as the field is producing squat. Seems like there's always a tail end, especially at these prices.

I think it was only 6-8 months ago I heard an interview with Matt Simmons. He had been talking to the heads of Cantarell and they were discussing what to do if depletion rate goes to 15-18%. Simmons had responded something like, what do you do if it goes to 20 or 25%? Who would have thought Simmons was an optimist? :shock:
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Re: Cantarell Esta Muriendo (. . . is dying)

Postby ROCKMAN » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 07:42:13

Dante,

I haven't see anything about a doughnut but I'll run some traps at lunch. Last story I saw on the western OCS in the Gulf concerned the nomination of new blocks right along the Mexico boundary. That same story reaffirmed the rights as outlined in long ago treaties allowing operators on either side to utilize "right of capture" laws (i.e. no sharing required). But perhaps NAFTA modified those original treaties.
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Cantarell production declines 31% from January to Novembe

Postby cualcrees » Mon 22 Dec 2008, 16:14:31

"Mexico's oil exports fell 17.3% between January and November, to an average of one million 410 thousand bpd, compared to the same period in 2007.
Acording to Pemex, crude production declined 9.3% in the same period, to 2 million 806 thousand bpd, while the production at Cantarell declined 31% in the first 11 months of the year, to an average of one million 28 thousand bpd."

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Cantarell is Collapsing!

Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 04:03:18

Cantarell Collapsing - Study Projects "Uneconomic" As Early As 2014 As Gas Cap Falls Rapidly

Cantarell is the largest single field in what has come to be known as the Cantarell Complex. About 35 fields comprise the complex. Ku, Maloob and Zaap are three relatively large fields located immediately to the northwest of Cantarell field. Cantarell itself has been ranked by some compilers as the sixth largest oil field in the world. One field in the complex, Ixtoc, was the scene of a disastrous fire in the late 1980s, completely destroying a semi submersible drilling rig.

As for Cantarell, discovered in 1979, by 1981 was flowing 1.156 million bbl/day from 40 wells. An average well in 1981 would produce 29,000 bbl/day. Development continued with production coming from many of the fields including Ixtoc, but as flow rates fell, gas lift equipment was installed. By 1995, the average well would produce 7,000 bbl/day. The gas lift program was expanded and by 1999, total production from the complex was 1.4 million bbl/day.

But reservoir pressure continued to decline. Had there been no pressure maintenance installation, by 2004, production per well would have been about 3,200 bbl/day. Under that regime, production would continue for many years at ever declining rates. Engineering studies were made to improve production rates from more than 150 wells that existed at that time. Based on a study of the Yates field in West Texas, Pemex decided to inject nitrogen gas into the dome of Cantarell. That began in May of 2000 at an initial rate of 300 million cubic feet/day and was expanded through the year with a total of four stages to 1,200 million cubic feet/day. Production comes from fractured and vugular limestone of Jurassic, Cretaceous and Lower Paleocene ages. The original estimate of reserves was 17 billion barrels but this was raised to 19.3 after the nitrogen gas had pushed the original oil/water contact back to its original position. By 12/31/2006, cumulative production was 16.6 billion barrels. In 2004, the complex produced 2.136 million bbl/day which declined to 1.525 million by 2007.

Production declines as the expanding gas cap intersects the well bores. Considering that the gas/oil contact is level across the field, many wells are affected simultaneously. Today the end is near with expectations that Cantarell will become uneconomic as early as 2014 and no later than 2019. The three field sub-complex Ku-Maloob-Zaap is expected to begin its terminal decline in 2010.

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Re: Cantarell is Collapsing!

Postby Roy » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 07:36:20

Members of this site have been predicting that for what? 5 years now or thereabouts.

And they also predicted that the decline in Cantarell's production would lead to the chaos Mexico is currently experiencing.

If Mexico is no longer an oil exporter, then what is its value to the NAU or SPP? Cheap labor I suppose.

Mercenaries maybe?
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Re: Cantarell is Collapsing!

Postby Ludi » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 10:28:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '
')Mercenaries maybe?



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Re: Cantarell is Collapsing!

Postby Plantagenet » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 13:23:45

Since the socialized PEMEX Mexican national oil company is failing fast, they can vote to reverse the half-century old nationaliization of Mexico's oil industry and allow private companies to come in and try to help find the remaining oil (if any oil companies are stupid enough to believe that they wouldn't be nationalized out of business again if they found some oil).
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Re: Cantarell is Collapsing!

Postby Daniel_Plainview » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 13:40:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', ' ')(if any oil companies are stupid enough to believe that they wouldn't be nationalized out of business again if they found some oil).


LOL

I doubt many investors would eagerly participate in a project involving collapsing oil fields, rampant corruption, and imminent nationalization once the project becomes profitable. :lol:
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Re: Cantarell is Collapsing!

Postby TheDude » Sun 26 Apr 2009, 18:17:09

This missive courtesy of none other than Michael Lynch. I thought in his ever-increasing world of bountiful reserves this thing wasn't supposed to happen.

Profile includes a photo; always thought Mike was a late boomer for some reason.

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GLG News Analyses by Michael Lynch - Gerson Lehrman Group. Looks like he chimes in every couple days, will have to see what his take is these days.

Hey DoomWarrior, little spin on your Capt Kirk .gif for ya: eeebbf0147efa8859931e7716bf22a02. From The Great GIF Gallery
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