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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 12:13:57

mex peso lost 10 centavos vs dollar within an hour after the news release
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Kaj » Sat 07 Jun 2008, 13:47:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johhnytrash', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vetusfirma', 'I') don't speak spanish, the language of the oppressor, but I do know a good story in English, the language of the people who defeated the oppressors.


Just going on the dictionary definition of your words, I don't understand how Spanish is the language of the oppressor. Can you clue me in?


The Spanish Empire was very oppressive. Just about every Latin American country have festivals celebrating their independence from Spain.

In Mexico, every city has several streets dedicated to their independence from Spain. Its a big time part of their national consciousness.

The war against the English was a major factor in the Spanish empire's collapse. We have historically congratulated ourselves for this feat. We have historically seen ourselves as superior since we were (at the time) one of the most progressive nations in Europe in limiting the power of the crown, while Spain was firmly ruled from the throne.

Not that the ensuing English Empire was any better, mind.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby outcast » Sat 07 Jun 2008, 22:25:31

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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Cynus » Mon 09 Jun 2008, 12:10:33

Gasmon, you Brits have got to start small. My advice: invade France. When you and France were perpetually at war with each other you both became more and more powerful until you were the most powerful nations on Earth. :)
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby abelardlindsay » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 03:07:03

I'd guess the coming Mexico collapse is probably the reason KBR is getting paid big bucks to build all these detention centers in south Texas.

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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby cube » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 01:38:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', '.')..
If I had my way we Brits would do it all again. We can't, so its now America's turn to police the world. Are you up to it ???.
Actually NO we're bankrupt.
We invested the last remaining amount of our resources into something called "suburbia".
The investment right now is starting to turn more into a liability than an asset. :wink:
My gut tells me once the world gets a taste of Russian + Chinese rule they will deeply miss the good old days of American rule. 8O
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I think collapse should be looked at in a relative term. If Mexico drops by 1 notch but the USA drops by 2 notches than I think the Mexicans would figure out, it makes more sense just to stay in Mexico.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Cynus » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 11:46:33

House approves aid to Mexico drug war
By STEWART M. POWELL

WASHINGTON — Brushing aside objections by Houston-area Republicans, the House on Tuesday approved bipartisan legislation authorizing $1.1 billion in emergency assistance to Mexico over three years to combat drug traffickers.

The Democratic-controlled House adopted the White House-backed Merida Initiative on a vote of 311-106.

Separate legislation necessary for spending the funds is winding its way through Congress.

The measure has stirred controversy since President Bush and Mexican President Felipe Calderon came up with the idea at their summit in the Mexican city of Merida last year. The plan would provide unprecedented U.S. assistance to Mexico, ranging from military equipment such as helicopters and encrypted communications to training of police.

Escalating drug-gang violence has killed an estimated 4,000 Mexicans over the past 18 months, prompting Calderon to deploy some 30,000 soldiers and federal police along the border and elsewhere.

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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Cynus » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 11:49:51

Macabre drug cartel messages in Mexico

Some of the communications intended for rivals, officials and the public have accompanied severed heads and been written on bodies.
By Ken Ellingwood, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
June 11, 2008
MEXICO CITY -- In case decapitating their victims and dumping the heads in picnic coolers didn't make the point, the killers left a note.

"This is a warning," it said, listing an alphabet soup of Mexican police agencies and the noms de guerre of several well-known drug figures. "You get what you deserve."

The message, scrawled on a poster in black ink, accompanied four severed human heads that Mexican authorities recently found on a highway in the northern state of Durango.

The same day, police in neighboring Chihuahua state came upon five swaddled bodies accompanied by a hand- lettered placard.

"This is what happens to stupid traitors who take sides with Chapo Guzman," said the message found in Ciudad Juarez, referring to Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman, the supposed leader of the main drug gang in adjacent Sinaloa state.

The killers closed with incongruous propriety: "Yours truly," they signed off, "La Linea."

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Often, government forces are the target audience. A recent poster mocked army troops on patrol, calling them "little lead soldiers."

In the border cities of Nuevo Laredo and Reynosa, in the state of Tamaulipas, neatly painted banners appeared this spring advertising jobs in the Zetas, one of the country's most fearsome crime groups.

The banners, addressed to "soldiers or ex-soldiers," offered "good wages, food and help for your family."

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Ciudad Juarez residents have reason to take anonymous warnings seriously. In January, someone threatened city police by posting the names of 17 officers on a monument to fallen officers. Three of those listed were already dead.

By mid-May, about half of those listed had been killed, including the city's No. 2 police official, who was peppered with automatic-weapons fire one night as he returned home.

The messages keep on coming. Late last month, two hand-scrawled banners appeared in the Chihuahua state capital, also called Chihuahua. Signed by a group calling itself Gente Nueva, or New People, the banners listed the names of 21 state police officers.

The threat needed no elaboration.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printeditio ... 5339.story
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Cynus » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 10:32:41

Mexico's Calderon bogged down in bloody drugs war
By Catherine Bremer

MEXICO CITY, June 16 (Reuters) - President Felipe Calderon has staked his reputation on wiping out Mexico's drug violence but his campaign is in trouble as trafficking gangs murder ever more people, target police and openly recruit hitmen.

Calderon's first move on taking power 18 months ago was to launch a bold $7 billion army-led assault on powerful drug cartels, vowing to wrest back control of violence-scarred northern border states.

His army busts have put a string of senior smugglers behind bars and captured truckloads of cocaine and cash.

But the top drug lords are still free, and disrupting years-old trafficking alliances and protection networks has sparked an explosion in killings between rival gangs who dump hacked-off heads and tortured bodies in public.

The bloodshed has dented Calderon's popularity and left him bogged down in a vicious war with the odds of winning it stacked against him.

Calderon, 45, has defined success as reducing the violence, but drug murders have instead soared to more than 4,000 since his offensive began, and the turf wars intensified this year.

In brazen defiance of Calderon's pledge to gain the upper hand, cartel hitmen are picking off police from grim hit-lists and hanging banner adverts on highways offering fat wages for soldiers to defect and join them.

"They're not scared of him," said Eduardo Valle, a veteran drug expert who was a top advisor to Mexico's attorney general in the mid-1990s and now lives on the Mexico-U.S. border.

Although the army has failed to stop the violence, Calderon can not withdraw the troops without conceding defeat for a policy that the quiet but tough leader himself set as a top priority.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCri ... 0620080616
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Cynus » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 10:37:01

What's Next for Mexico? Gang Violence, Drugs, Political Corruption Imperil Country

WASHINGTON, June 16 (AScribe Newswire) -- A new book by College of William & Mary Professor George W. Grayson suggests that defeated leftist presidential candidate Lopez Obrador could frustrate the governmental reforms of its newly-elected President Felipe Calderon. Meanwhile, Professor Grayson says, "the state is disintegrating as the government loses control over key sectors of society."

Among the sectors sliding from the state's control are public education, the oil industry, and public safety in the streets of scores of Mexican cities, especially the capital and border towns. Moreover, the government collects less than 12 percent of its GDP in taxes - on par with Haiti, a failed nation - and monopolies and oligopolies compromise Mexico's ability to compete with Indian, China, and the Asian Tigers.

In addition, drug violence has claimed 1,552 lives so far this year, with murders often accomplished by decapitations before the victims are brutally maimed and tortured.

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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Cynus » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 09:44:50

This article is a must-read:
Failed States: Mexico & California
[A]n implosion is occurring in Mexico. A failed Mexican state requires protective measures that are very difficult to fully assess. Chaos reigns. Debts fail. Contracts face renege. Federal deficits rise. Labor strife spreads. Corrupt grabs by the powerful are enacted. Poverty widens. A bunker mentality prevails. Money returns home. This is the opposite of the orderly Japanese Repatriation every March. This is disorder gaining momentum.

A failed nation state is the likely outcome south of the US border. Energy network attacks, growing poverty and inequality, inadequate government services, growing power of organized crime, corruption & desertion of police forces, assassination of judges and officials without consequences, and growing farmer bankruptcy are contributing to a failed system in Mexico. The current farm product price changes have resulted in tremendous additional disruption, losses, and disruption to Mexican agriculture businesses. Needs of people, upheld laws, tax structures, allegiance to authority, and sense of urgency all seem to be in breakdown mode, and have been for several months. Remarkably, the US press networks refuse to cover the stories that form long links in an ugly chain.

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/edito ... /0620.html
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby gypsybiker45 » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 20:35:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kaj', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johhnytrash', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vetusfirma', 'I') don't speak spanish, the language of the oppressor, but I do know a good story in English, the language of the people who defeated the oppressors.


Just going on the dictionary definition of your words, I don't understand how Spanish is the language of the oppressor. Can you clue me in?


The Spanish Empire was very oppressive. Just about every Latin American country have festivals celebrating their independence from Spain.

In Mexico, every city has several streets dedicated to their independence from Spain. Its a big time part of their national consciousness.

The war against the English was a major factor in the Spanish empire's collapse. We have historically congratulated ourselves for this feat. We have historically seen ourselves as superior since we were (at the time) one of the most progressive nations in Europe in limiting the power of the crown, while Spain was firmly ruled from the throne.

Not that the ensuing English Empire was any better, mind.


Notice the man stated that the British Empire wasnt any better,The Spanish Empire was far ,far crueler to its subjects.The British in general were far more advanced in society than Spain,Portugal or even France in the treatment of its subjects OF THE PERIOD.people always assume mexican when someone means spanish, they are the racists,not the poster. Spaniards and English are both of European stock,therefore cannot be racist towards one another,although they can dislike one another,and by the way,"yanks' killing "red indians" is another misnomer,per capita Mexican and Canadian(YES CANADIAN) troops killed just as many in the wars of conquest of the period.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 01:05:19

FT: US warns Mexican drug war threatens democracy

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') top US counter-narcotics official has warned that Mexico’s democratic development is at stake in the country’s battle against drugs cartels.

Speaking as the US Congress approved a long-awaited $400m (€253m, £200m) aid package for Mexico’s anti-drug drive, David Johnson, the top counter-narcotics official at the Department of State, also gave a stark depiction of the challenges posed by the drugs industries of Afghanistan, Colombia and Burma.

Felipe Calderon, Mexico’s president, has deployed the country’s army in fighting its powerful cartels, but an upsurge of violence has led to 1,881 drug-related murders this year, according to local media reports.

While official Mexican figures are lower, they indicate a rise of almost 50 per cent from the same period last year. Last week alone, 130 people died, the highest such total for years
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby BlisteredWhippet » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 01:55:21

American laxity on immigration created modern Mexico, in my opinion, more than any other factor.

It is the factor America is responsible for, and any weaselment out of this dilemma by pro-migrant legalizers is tantamount to anarchy, at best, and treason, at worst.

What an incredible shot in the arm it would be for Mexico to be forced to receive its lost population.

These immigrants are economic refugees and unreformed cargo cultists, and create cargo cultists in their home country, awaiting the arrival of dollars that were created by stealing from the future.

Mexico should be treated like a tamale. Stuff the peppers back in the tortilla and increase the heat and pressure until the freaking sauce oozes out. Aztec purification.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby mercurygirl » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 03:34:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', 'T')hese immigrants are economic refugees and unreformed cargo cultists, and create cargo cultists in their home country, awaiting the arrival of dollars that were created by stealing from the future.

Mexico should be treated like a tamale. Stuff the peppers back in the tortilla and increase the heat and pressure until the freaking sauce oozes out. Aztec purification.


"Unreformed cargo cultists", and tamales made of people. Although tamales are made of corn and don't involve tortillas, those were very potent images.

All I can say is, I think we're in for trouble in the SW and maybe elsewhere in the US as well in the not-too-distant future.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby manu » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 07:36:12

Maybe for awhile they will all head North. Then as there is less oil and a cold winter, the hordes will move South. Sort of what the Buffalo did before their die-off.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sun 06 Jul 2008, 16:30:23

Note delivered to Mexican officail... attached to head.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')EXICO CITY — Officials say a human head and was left near the home of the Oaxaca state attorney general with a note threatening three state officials.

State prosecutors say the head and note were found Saturday inside a plastic bag left a few yards the official's house in Oaxaca city.

The note threatened Attorney General Evencio Martinez as well as organized crime investigator Pedro Guzman and the leader of the state's governing party, Jorge Franco.

The note signed in the name of the Gulf drug cartel said officials must "learn to respect that we are here and we won't leave."

A body matching the head was found outside the city. Officials say they have not yet identified the man.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby socrates1fan » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 21:12:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kaj', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johhnytrash', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vetusfirma', 'I') don't speak spanish, the language of the oppressor, but I do know a good story in English, the language of the people who defeated the oppressors.


Just going on the dictionary definition of your words, I don't understand how Spanish is the language of the oppressor. Can you clue me in?


The Spanish Empire was very oppressive. Just about every Latin American country have festivals celebrating their independence from Spain.

In Mexico, every city has several streets dedicated to their independence from Spain. Its a big time part of their national consciousness.

The war against the English was a major factor in the Spanish empire's collapse. We have historically congratulated ourselves for this feat. We have historically seen ourselves as superior since we were (at the time) one of the most progressive nations in Europe in limiting the power of the crown, while Spain was firmly ruled from the throne.

Not that the ensuing English Empire was any better, mind.


The Spanish empire was a very impressive empire but it can't be compared to the English Empire(especially during the 19th century).
England was basically the super power of the world up until WWII while Spain had its peak of glory when it was colonizing the Americas(or wiping out people like the Aztects.). It is foolish to say the Spanish Empire was nothing, but it is even more foolish to say the English Empire was was at the same level or less.

I don't understand what you mean, superior?
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