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Will some of us live forever?

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Will some of us live forever?

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No
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Who wants to live forever?
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Re: Will some of us live forever?

Unread postby manu » Sun 06 Jul 2008, 06:48:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'E')veryone already lives forever. Your soul is eternal. It's just some may be in a better place than others. Only the material body dies.


PO.com would be greatly improved if you stopped posting.


The world would be a better place without people like you. You can always use the ignore.
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Re: Will some of us live forever?

Unread postby lys3rg0 » Sun 06 Jul 2008, 21:44:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'T')he world would be a better place without people like you.


A "kill yourself" in disguise? That's really classy, coming from a believer... i didn't think you had it in you :twisted:

I believe you owe your imaginary friend a few hail mary's for that one...
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Re: Will some of us live forever?

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 14:56:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('anagami', ' ')"that feeds itself"



Kinda like electricity which feeds magnetism which produces more electricity which makes more magnetism...?


I'm not aware of this mechanisms... and will not research them yet.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', '
')(...)
sounds like an interesting concept...do you think the master alchemist (creator of all) knows about it?
(...)


If there's a master alchemist, then he/she/it should know about it... even may have become the master alchemist when discovering this (immortality).
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Re: Will some of us live forever?

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 14:58:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'E')veryone already lives forever. Your soul is eternal. It's just some may be in a better place than others. Only the material body dies.


PO.com would be greatly improved if you stopped posting.


Why? Does an avarage theist threatens your mind in some way?

btw, your reply was avarage atheist trolling. Just ignore him/her, if you don't like their posts, instead of trolling.
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Re: Will some of us live forever?

Unread postby Byron100 » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 15:21:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'T')here are trees that live for thousands of years, called bristle pine. Some trees are older than 5000 years. Nature made us to only live long enough to produce offspring and get them on their way. Our cells have a mechanism to limit their reproductive life. Some cells in our intestines can divide forever, probably because they are under high stress from all the bugs that we carry around in our gut. Anyway, for some reason, nature made the rest of our cells stop after a certain number of divisions. Why is that? Without that mechanism, we wouldn't grow old and develop health problems. We would still have health problems, but death from old age wouldn't be one of them. Cancer would probably become a problem, however because more cell division means a greater likelihood of mutation, but that's an acceptable trade off.

I think that us mammals evolved a limited lifespan because from our genes standpoint, once we reproduce and care for our offspring until they can go on their own, we are of little further use. Our genes are passed on to the next generation, so we become just one more useless mouth to feed. In other words, a limited lifespan is a species survival mechanism. Oldsters, being smart, devious and self serving, if allowed to live long lifespans, would dominate the younger generations to the point of hampering their ability to care for their children. Actually, in a way, that is the situation now. Seniors are rich compared to the younger generations and those seniors can think of nothing but demanding their social security from the younger, working population.

If people start living forever, then it will become necessary for the younger generations to kill old people to ensure the survival of the species. After all, the environment can only support so many people and those people need to be reproducing, allowing mutations to happen so that evolution can take place. In other words, our genes seem to prefer a new generation every 50 years or so and if people live a lot longer, that process would probably slow down to maybe every 100 years. Knowing that they are going to live a long time, people might start waiting too long to have kids while they "do" themselves. That's another thing that is happening now; some career women are finding that they put off a family too long.

With a short lifespan, you have to "get busy." If you snooze, you lose. Nature seems to like that arrangement. It allows necessary evolutionary changes to take effect through natural selection, improving the breed.


Absolutely brilliant post. I agree with everything you said to the "T".

Having people live forever, or even much longer than a century would totally screw up the reproduction process, with too many old people and not enough young people to start new families. And imagine how retirement programs would work with "retirement" lasting longer than the working years.

If I had my way, the human lifespan would be held at 80 years...20 years of childhood, 40 years of working, and a final 20 years of retirement, or at least a gradual slow down in whatever it is that person has done for their adult life. I abhor any attempt to lengthen lifespans, as that's just adding more "old" years to the current lifespan. I'd much rather hold my looks, health and agility at 30 or 35 age equivalent until I was 80 and punch my ticket in a hurry at the end. No nursing home and/or hospital agony for me, thank you very much.
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Re: Will some of us live forever?

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 15:58:35

Byron100, I think that those proposing longer lifetimes are also proposing "eternal youth". They want their cake and eat it all too.
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Re: Will some of us live forever?

Unread postby manu » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 08:16:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'T')he world would be a better place without people like you.


A "kill yourself" in disguise? That's really classy, coming from a believer... i didn't think you had it in you :twisted:

I believe you owe your imaginary friend a few hail mary's for that one...


You missed the point of my previous post altogether, you can't kill yourself, you (the self) is eternal. Killing your present body will not solve your problem, you will just take another body somewhere else. Because you wasted your human body, don't expect anything higher than an animal.
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