[allenwrench]

Well, people need their drug. Our society is built on crude.

http://peakoil.com/fortopic42300-15.html


The fact is just like to takes a certain amount of money to 'just live' so it goes with crude. Even if we cut out the extra crude usage and have zero fun and waste we still need to consume a certain amount of crude to just live. (in our modern society)

[f2tornado]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doodlebug2', 'I')n an article in MSNBC today, a Pew Survey showed that more people want more drilling, exploration, power plants, refineries and such and not conservation. This shows what the citizens want, they do not believe in Peak Oil and or care about the enviroment.
It may not be good for the enviroment in the future. Oil shale, and tar sands, here we come.

[Blacksmith]

History repeats itself. During WWII people would do anything to get more than their ration of gasoline, anyway, anyhow, and their sons were fighting a war.

[muon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doodlebug2', 'I')n an article in MSNBC today, a Pew Survey showed that more people want more drilling, exploration, power plants, refineries and such and not conservation. This shows what the citizens want, they do not believe in Peak Oil and or care about the enviroment.
It may not be good for the enviroment in the future. Oil shale, and tar sands, here we come.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', ' ') Does it matter how demand destruction occurs? Or it's only holy and good if it comes from people's pure hearts?

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skyemoor', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'D')oomers are doomers. Everything will be spun to "doom is coming". Same thing with the AGW stuff. If it's cold it's AGW, if it's hot during summer it's AGW. You just can't reason with these nuts.

[CarlosFerreira]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('muon', '
')
I think they want to not be struggling, they perceive that drilling will alleviate the struggling easier than conservation. Conservation often equates in the mind to lower standard of living, and that's what they feel like they're experiencing now - they don't want more of it, they want relief.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skyemoor', 'Y')ou'll find that contentless posts like this will lower your veracity around here. And calling people 'nuts' is a form of ad hominem that runs counter to the CoC, so correct your posting style.

[Canuk]

New to this site but not peak oil.
I've been talking with various people over the last few years and very few seem to acknowledge the magnitude of the peak oil problem. Most seemed to dismiss the concept entirely until the recent price rises and even now are buying the "manipulation by speculators" or "gouging by big oil". It amazes me that the majority are expecting that a solution is in the works and are "sleepwalking into the future".

As with most other problems (water pollution, air pollution, etc.) people expect others to bear the burden so they may continue on with their life unencumbered. Conservation will not be chosen willingly by most and will be a response to price.

[ki11ercane]

I think most of us here have accepted the reality the world is un-savable at this point in terms of the environmental impact of consuming fossil fuels, CO2 emissions, pollution, etc. To reach a point when possibly we can shield ourselves from the effects of Peak Oil 5-25 years from now, consuming fossil fuels to get there is part of the equation. (buying food, building a new home away from the cities, solar panels, buying this and that, building permaculture and sustainability, etc. etc.) Since everything is tied into oil, this is un-avoidable.

For the rest of the world, they don't give a shit period, and I mean people who have never put the words "Peak" and "Oil" in a sentence. When I heard that as early as August the polar ice cap would melt all the way through and ship could sail across the North Pole, I freaked out! Was there widespread panic in the streets, emergency news bulletins, nope! No one cares the ocean is going to rise, more hurricanes, climate change, etc. No one cares one iota. They need their lives to chug on as it does, and consideration of consuming less to reduce these things happening again somewhere else is not in anyone's consciousness.

When I see people trying to be more green for the environment, and it's tied into consuming a certain product, I want to puke.

People's want for oil has not diminished at all. It's $5.30 a gallon for gas in Canada, and the roads are packed solid. People still fill the malls and grocery stores. Condos are being built here in Winnipeg of all places starting at $400,000.00 a piece. Not Toronto, not Montreal, not Calgary, Winnifreakingpeg.

The want will go on until there is nothing left to consume. Too late half way before then.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Canuk', 'N')ew to this site but not peak oil.

[CarlosFerreira]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ki11ercane', '
')The want will go on until there is nothing left to consume. Too late half way before then.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', '
')Nobody seems to understand the concept of having Limits to Growth, especially the poorer people.

[CarlosFerreira]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hose damn poor people, it's all their fault. Nevermind that the richest 5% of the world's population use 25% of the Earth's resources.

[skyemoor]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skyemoor', 'Y')ou'll find that contentless posts like this will lower your veracity around here. And calling people 'nuts' is a form of ad hominem that runs counter to the CoC, so correct your posting style.

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('syrac818', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('syrac818', 'P')eople are conserving - prices take care of that.

An 811,000 barrel per day drop in American oil consumption is plenty proof.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skyemoor', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skyemoor', 'Y')ou'll find that contentless posts like this will lower your veracity around here. And calling people 'nuts' is a form of ad hominem that runs counter to the CoC, so correct your posting style.