by manu » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 06:36:37
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')That's right you are serving someone. Either your wife, girlfriend, family, gov't, boss, dog, cat, or at least your own senses. So why try and water all the leaves of the tree, water the root and the whole tree is satisfied, so in the same way, serve the creator and by doing that, all of creation is served.
I can say the same about you, that you are a slave to your senses.
Without understanding your soul and God you are no better than an animal. They also sleep, eat, mate and defend. But it is your choice and also your faith, because belief that there is void or nothing after death is also a belief. So the animals can enjoy thru there senses just as good or better than humans, if you act in animal conciousness this life, expect to get an animal body in the next.
Well I can agree that one of the physical conditions of life is that you are a slave to the “conditions of life”. You are a slave to energy because you need to consume it to live. You are a slave to your lungs because you need to breath to live etc etc. You are a slave to your senses i.e. pain hurts so we try to avoid pain we want to have sex so we have orgasms etc. etc. So as a condition of being alive you are a slave to the very things that will give you life.
As far as a slave to "family, gov't, boss, dog, cat" there is also agreement here but you do have input to the extent of the slavery. The extent you want to go into servitude over your family/ wife etc is up to you even though most don't realize it because they are acting on emotions and most are just living out social roles that were created for them by the culture they live in. So they are in effect a slave to the dominate culture/ belief system they live or participate in. There is no doubt participating in the current consumer industrial culture makes you a slave, which I fully admit I am. No delusions here about that. Personally the absurdity of the slavery is offset by the realization of it. An allegory can be found in The Myth of Sisyphus:
“This is the tragic moment, when the hero becomes conscious of his wretched condition. He does not have hope, but he also figures out the truth and Sisyphus, just like the absurd man, keeps pushing. Camus argues that Sisyphus is truly happy precisely because the futility of his task is beyond doubt: the certainty of Sisyphus' fate frees him to recognize the absurdity of his plight and to carry out his actions with contented acceptance.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_SisyphusThis is the physical slavery we are all bound by as a condition of existing. Now I will put forth the notion that there is a mind; a psyche. The psyche is bound by the physical body it is trapped within and it is a slave to the beliefs it may hold. Hundreds of generations of archaic man existed with the belief that they were an integral part of the natural regeneration of life. They were no better than the animals but in fact one in the same. Along the way man fell from this position of blissful ignorance and began its journey to oblivion. You may know it as the biblical Adam and Eve story which is an allegory describing man’s decent form the blissful “Garden of Eden” to the tortured existence of “modern man”.
"... Of every tree of the garden surely you may eat;
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
not you shall eat from it;
in the day of your eating from it
surely you shall die".
Man became aware of his condition and like no other animal on the planet was aware he will surely die. This was a monumental shift in the human psyche. The fear and terror of his true existence drove man to illusion. Man could no longer be an animal he had to be divine. The grace of “GOD” blessed this creature to do with nature as he will.
“Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." 29 And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.”
See manu the delusion you live under may bring you some sort of solace and peace but, the human animal is an animal just like any other no matter how much you hide from this relization. Except this animal can’t live his true condition he must be what he is not. Because of this flaw, humans will always look towards illusion because of his own feebleness and inability to admit his own insignificance. The religions we see today are just the guise that has exposed the flaw for what it really is. If it wasn’t one of the big three dominant religions it would have been another type of “belief-system”. Nothing could stop this animal from carving its notch into the world and signaling its own demise.
Make no mistake about it manu. If there is an all powerful “GOD”; and you are to be judged by him, you and your fellow believers will surely rot in the biblical make-believe hell for the devastation your delusions have helped caused to all of “GOD”S” creatures. The rest of us standing back here on the ground are living in the hell of reality…
==AC
The soul is beyond the material body, it is the real self. All living entities have souls. It is eternal. You are right about the hell of reality, here in the material world. That is why it is advisable to endevour in this life to understand the soul and God and get out of the samsara of repeated birth and death. The soul is spiritual and doesn't belong in this temporary material world.
Camus committed suicide so he didn't have any "peace of mind".
