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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby Pops » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 19:11:52

Is this psychology or your just fantasy?
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby VMarcHart » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 19:20:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')s this psychology or your just fantasy?
Neither, Pops. I started this thread in PO Discussion, and a Mod moved it to Psychology. I borrowed "I see dead people" from Shyamalan's Six Sense, as a catch phrase. I'm waiting for his lawyers to contact me with a copyright lawsuit. That's how I feel when I see people either unaware or ignoring the risks; I see "dead" people.
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby Pops » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 19:30:12

I guess we see people around us differently;

I think they will adapt, and compete one against the other.


If you think they will just die, I believe you are fooling yourself.

That's just my take from reading history tho....
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby Concerned » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 23:22:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') guess we see people around us differently;

I think they will adapt, and compete one against the other.


If you think they will just die, I believe you are fooling yourself.

That's just my take from reading history tho....


Die-off != Die-out

How many American Indians died?
How many Vietnamese?
How many Jews were gassed?
How many in the Philippines died?
How many Iraqi have died?
How many Armenians died?
How many Aboriginals and other indigenous peoples died?

All these and more "adapted" their adaptation was death.

And that's just reasonably innocent people nothing to do with why the bombs and chemicals are falling on them.

You can go way back in history to famines in India, Ireland, China lots of people adapting, we're not talking going from 3 meals a day to one every second day. We're talking lights out good bye.

Then we can examine the great world wars one and two and see all the "adapting" that was taking place.

Yes sir people will adapt, they will have to. But it might not be the Jetsons future that some seem to think a few solar panels and a wind generator and onwards and upwards.
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 08:41:44

Human life is full of misery. They'll get theirs and you'll get yours. It may or may not be from PO. Let 'em enjoy themselves while they can.

That said, I recall when I first became PO aware, and started to deeply analyze how much oil was a part of our lives. I walked around in exactly the kind of disconnect you mention. I walked out of a building at a college where I worked, and a kid was driving down the street playing some loud music, feeling cool, and the ride was a nice blue mustang.

I remember thinking every aspect of that youngster's peacock feathers was oil driven. The mustang (it better have had the good engine, otherwise why bother), the flowmaster pipes, even the music is an expression of energy. Hard to judge in a moment, but he looked to be a skinny kid. Don't know if he could have held his own in a fight, if he could have carried a pack 10 miles, if he could have saved a damsel in distress (ie things that might express your own power and energy). But he doesn't need to in today's world, in today's world it is all how we harness fossil fuels. And he was doing that pretty well.

Then I realized it wasn't all gong to happen tomorrow (this was 2004 already), so I bought a used Durango. Might as well enjoy the 5.9l v8 while we can. There certainly aren't going to be tons of those in the future.

Finally, one never knows what those mall families know or don't know. They could b e preparing for the Aztec 2012, the mormon end times, or they could have grandma living with them teaching them old time living. Ours isn't the only board in the world full of worry warts and thinking we have the TRUTH. Let em place their bets and go with their best guess.
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby btu2012 » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 10:37:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GeneralGreen', 'I') expect cities to be war zones of gangs "esp in multicultural cities" post peak


Another one with testosterone-filled fantasies. :roll:

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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 10:50:18

I live near a city which embraces its multiculturalism. I don't see gang warfare being likely (except between gangs, who tend to be of the same subculture).
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby manu » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 10:53:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'F')or the last few weeks I've been working nex to a cute suburban mall. You know, the standard AMC theaters, marry-go-around, food court, JC Penny's, etc, type of mall.

I go there for lunch. I had a smoothie today.

I see dead people. 20-something year old couples, with 1-2 small children, 1-2 toddlers, driving SUVs or Mini Vans, buying toys, eating pizza at Sbarro's, all while crude oil and gasoline just hit another record high, mortgage crisis, credit card crisis, inflation, unemployment, war, food shortage, the works. There is no way these folks will live or survive long.

I see dead people. Do you?


What you see are called lemmings. They are just running along with the herd, keeping their heads down. They really don't want to see what's happening. When they go flying off the cliff it will be such a shock, many will flip mentally. Hence you will have a sort of walking dead, zombie. The blind are leading the blind, only those who have the courage to look around and take a stand have a chance to survive. Collective karma will be reaped shortly. It will be a cleansing of the earth and a lesson for those who survive. It is what happens when intelligence is misplaced.

As far as the military pictures above, lets see them operate without oil. Do they have a calvery with horses as backup?
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby btu2012 » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 10:56:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'A')s far as the military pictures above, lets see them operate without oil.


Rest assured that the military will always get its oil, electricity etc FIRST IN LINE.

How clueless can one be ? :roll:

You guys are really spoiled brats, aren't you ? No clue about reality and how the world works.

Power grows from the barrel of a gun.

Geez, the current generation of feminised schoolboys. :(

All of them imagining themselves so special and insightful. Many of those dead people you see might do much better than you in the future. You never know what they know and what plans they have.
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby VMarcHart » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 14:15:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GeneralGreen', 'I') expect cities to be war zones of gangs "esp in multicultural cities" post peak
Another one with testosterone-filled fantasies. :roll:
There are plenty of threads on that.
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby btu2012 » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 14:23:29

You mean like this one ? All those lemmings and dead people of prophetic fantasies and so on. How special it must make you feel.
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby doomlover666 » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 17:06:31

Sorry guys,

I subcribe with the notion that people are complete lemmings. Hurricane Katrina is a perfect example of how a majority people will handle extreme circumstances. If the government didn't intervene the death would have been way higher. So yes your superficial yuppie couple we most likely break down mental and die.
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby Pops » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 17:37:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', 'H')ow many American Indians died?
etc...


All were either out gunned or not resistant to the bugs those who conquered them carried.

The deal here is different, I'd bet your neighbor looks pretty well the same as you....
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby skeptik » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 17:44:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '
')I see dead people. Do you?


Yes... I see dead people... voting early and often... In Texas and Florida... this November...
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby VMarcHart » Sat 05 Jul 2008, 20:59:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doomlover666', 'H')urricane Katrina is a perfect example of how a majority people will handle extreme circumstances. If the government didn't intervene the death would have been way higher.
Something like that. A lot of people, and to an extend myself, are waiting or expecting somebody will bail us out.
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby manu » Sun 06 Jul 2008, 06:38:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'A')s far as the military pictures above, lets see them operate without oil.


Rest assured that the military will always get its oil, electricity etc FIRST IN LINE.

How clueless can one be ? :roll:

You guys are really spoiled brats, aren't you ? No clue about reality and how the world works.

Power grows from the barrel of a gun.

Geez, the current generation of feminised schoolboys. :(

All of them imagining themselves so special and insightful. Many of those dead people you see might do much better than you in the future. You never know what they know and what plans they have.


In a war, one of the first targets will be the enemies oil. So after the nuclear dust settles there won't be alot left to support large armies. As far as the rest of what you wrote, speak for yourself.
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby btu2012 » Sun 06 Jul 2008, 07:05:16

You don't know anything about war manu. It shows. :)
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby mystiek » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 22:31:01

I think Ludi made a good point about the type of reactions people, some people will embrace their differences and use that in a way to work as a community to adapt, others will be like the Katrina mess where people were screaming "where's FEMA, the government, etc". It was interesting to see the midwestern community on the news that included prisoners, local folks and the amish all working together on sandbags. None of the people filling the sandbags stopped and asked why FEMA wasn't there filling the bags. Communities with the mentality that they have to take care of themselves will adapt.
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby madison » Fri 01 Aug 2008, 19:42:19

Yes, I see dead people. Dead man walking.

I watch people at the park, at work, at church and wonder who will be alive in 20 years. I see children and I wonder if they'll be alive in 20, or what kind of people they will grow up to be. I watch my son play and wonder what he'll live through in his lifetime. I wonder how we will die.

Yes, I see dead people. But we all die regardless of when we live or for how long. We all die (and return, imho).
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Re: I see dead people.

Unread postby lper100km » Fri 01 Aug 2008, 20:46:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('madison', '
')Yes, I see dead people. But we all die regardless of when we live or for how long. We all die (and return, imho).


Perhaps. Maybe someone who knows about demographics can confirm this, but I suspect that the total of all people alive today exceeds the sum of all previous generations. If not, it’s awful close. That means that if you believe in recycling, there is a soul deficit, ie there are people alive today who are soulless. Peleg could have good time with that. Perhaps souls can divide like amoeba and provide an endless source. A sort of celestial cloning. Maybe we are into borrowing souls from other species – chimpanzees for instance? They’re in decline now. Or, when we reach the point of equilibrium, (current population is equaled by the sum of all previous generations), if we are not there already, is there suddenly a zero birth rate?

What happens to other sentient, but non human species? Are their souls or spirit or life or whatever also recycled? Why not? Can we be so arrogant as to think that humans are the only worthy life form, whatever that means?

When you’re dead, you’re dead imho. Why make everything more complicated than it need be? The simple answers are usually correct.
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