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Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 01 Jul 2008, 16:47:08

She found after an extensive study that women and retired Canadian firefighters get cranky once a month. :razz:
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 01 Jul 2008, 19:07:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'S')he found after an extensive study that women and retired Canadian firefighters get cranky once a month. :razz:


Now there is some useful information.
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby Ayame » Wed 02 Jul 2008, 10:54:33

Seriously you would be cranky too if the lining of your womb sloughed itself off every month through painful contractions. It shouldn't have taken her an extensive study to find this out especially if she is a woman. I hope she wasted her own money and not the taxpayers. Personally I don't see why it has to be everyone damn month, surely every 3 months would have been ok, or maybe even every year.
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby mobil1 » Wed 02 Jul 2008, 12:46:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'S')he found after an extensive study that women and retired Canadian firefighters get cranky once a month. :razz:


OK I'll bite. Why retired Canadian firefighters ?
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 02 Jul 2008, 19:18:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'S')eriously you would be cranky too if the lining of your womb sloughed itself off every month through painful contractions. It shouldn't have taken her an extensive study to find this out especially if she is a woman. I hope she wasted her own money and not the taxpayers. Personally I don't see why it has to be everyone damn month, surely every 3 months would have been ok, or maybe even every year.
Nature seems pretty cruel to you ladies in light of that. Then again, I think Nature had in mind for you all to stay pregnant from about 13 to 19 when you would likely die from childbirth. Damn, that's cruel too. I guess Nature is just cruel. We're all going to find that out soon enough, men and women alike. btw, there is no Dr. Ann Baylor, that was just a parody of golem, the retired Canadian firefighter, and his Dr. Jill Taylor thread.
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby mercurygirl » Thu 03 Jul 2008, 02:12:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'N')ature seems pretty cruel to you ladies in light of that. Then again, I think Nature had in mind for you all to stay pregnant from about 13 to 19 when you would likely die from childbirth.


Nature isn't cruel and doesn't hate us.

Anyway, menstruation isn't that bad, if you're healthy.

Not so, oh wise PMS. Nature used to have that in mind, now it has us overthinking and managing everything in order not to die in childbirth. Which in my mind, is a good thing, but gone too far, mirroring our present state.
Contractions are in our future! Heh.

Funny title, too.
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby Grifter » Thu 03 Jul 2008, 02:32:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', 'm')enstruation isn't that bad


huh?

that's a revelation
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby Ayame » Thu 03 Jul 2008, 03:21:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')btw, there is no Dr. Ann Baylor, that was just a parody of golem, the retired Canadian firefighter, and his Dr. Jill Taylor thread.


Oh, that explains why I didn't catch on. I never read anything golem writes.
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby Ayame » Thu 03 Jul 2008, 03:53:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', ' ') Nature used to have that in mind, now it has us overthinking and managing everything in order not to die in childbirth. Which in my mind, is a good thing, but gone too far, mirroring our present state.


I was just wondering how you perceive the managing and thinking of preventing death in childbirth can ever have 'gone too far'? Do you not think that every woman would want to avoid death in childbirth at all costs? To a woman giving birth and her partner and relatives nothing can ever 'go too far' to ensure that she survives the event. To me our present state being the lowest rate of mortality of women from childbirth in the whole of human history is not a bad thing but an achievement to be proud of.
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby mercurygirl » Thu 03 Jul 2008, 15:27:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'I') was just wondering how you perceive the managing and thinking of preventing death in childbirth can ever have 'gone too far'?

Well, if you're not a woman, to some degree you can be excused for not knowing the complex history of childbirth in the modern western world, specifically America. I'm posting a short video that shows the basic outline, as they did it better and quicker than I can. Watch it if you're inclined to be educated on the subject (turn off the cheesy music), and consider the fact that the USA is 33rd in the world in infant mortality rates, despite spending far more on the surrounding practices.
[flash width=425 height=344]http://www.youtube.com/v/d9g6ENSwoco&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you not think that every woman would want to avoid death in childbirth at all costs?
Yes.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o a woman giving birth and her partner and relatives nothing can ever 'go too far' to ensure that she survives the event.
I'm sure that's true.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o me our present state being the lowest rate of mortality of women from childbirth in the whole of human history is not a bad thing but an achievement to be proud of.
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 03 Jul 2008, 15:40:28

It's interesting how this can work. I replaced Dr. Ann Baylor for Dr. Jill Taylor, revelation for epiphany, psychoses for schizophrenia, and PMS, my nickname, for golem, and now we have a serious conversation about serious matters. The death of a woman in childbirth is no laughing matter. Nor is menstruation. It's played havoc in my life and I'm male. I'm not so wise, mercurygirl, far from it. I wish I was.
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby btu2012 » Thu 03 Jul 2008, 16:01:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'T')o me our present state being the lowest rate of mortality of women from childbirth in the whole of human history is not a bad thing but an achievement to be proud of.


An achievement of men to be proud of.
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 03 Jul 2008, 16:23:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'T')o me our present state being the lowest rate of mortality of women from childbirth in the whole of human history is not a bad thing but an achievement to be proud of.


An achievement of men to be proud of.
I'm sorry, btu, but you've got to get off this. It's an achievement to be proud of, period. Just because zeeea sounds like a feminist ideologue is no reason for you to go to the opposite extreme. We're all in this together, men and women alike.
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Re: Dr. Ann Baylor's Revelation, PSYCHOSES, and PMS

Unread postby Ayame » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 03:22:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', '
')Well, if you're not a woman, to some degree you can be excused for not knowing the complex history of childbirth in the modern western world, specifically America. I'm posting a short video that shows the basic outline, as they did it better and quicker than I can. Watch it if you're inclined to be educated on the subject (turn off the cheesy music), and consider the fact that the USA is 33rd in the world in infant mortality rates, despite spending far more on the surrounding practices.


Your video is a complete red herring. It seeks to compare traditional at home childbirth of the 1700's and before with the practices of maternal instituations in the 1800's where even the wiki acknowledges that "Mortality rates reached horrible proportions in maternity institutions the 1800s, sometimes climbing to 40 percent of birthgiving women".

This has zero relation to what childbirth is like today in modern UK hospitals. Mothers today are not 'strapped down and drugged' and their babies 'dragged out disfigured with forceps'. If a doctor did this he would quickly be struck off the register. I have listened to countless stories from my work colleagues and friends of their birthing experiences and they were gateful for gas and epidurals and their doctors were properly trained. Maybe the US has been dropping the ball lately but that doesn't mean we should all give up completely, turn our back on medical advancement, and go back to traditional births at home with a midwife, some towels and bowl of hot water and pray for the people with complications. Please consider that one of my work colleagues would not be alive now if she had not been in hospital and had surgical intervation during labour.

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also from wiki:
At the beginning of the 1900s, maternal death rates were around 1 in 100 for live births. The number today in the United States is 13 in 100,000, a decline by orders of magnitude.
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