[BigTex]

I was never sure that Neo hadn't just stumbled into another level of the Matrix.

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I') was never sure that Neo hadn't just stumbled into another level of the Matrix.

[errorist]

Civilization is creature born with the main purpose of dealing with Nature and All in It. We, humans, are not an exception. There are times when we control this creature and it gives us powers we need to have to deal with nature. There are times, when this creature fails.

[Zeeea]

I agree with angrychimp, everything ultimately is just a figment of our imaginations and people will only see what they want to see. I see no hope with civilization today because I dont want to, I dont agree with slaughtering food for needs of others, if you want meat kill it yourself, if you want potatoes then grow some, you want to make a gun find the resources and make it yourself without the help of others. Maybe then people will find the true meaning of life? Having to actually "work" for what they get instead of relying on a system full of retards who refuse to learn and go on strike.

Everything is too easy, life was not meant to be this easy for some and so hard for others. I dont agree with borders and I dont believe a culture/civilization on the other side of the world can cause mass destruction without the approval of all those who live on this earth. People today have the comfort of everything they could ever want so I can understand why many will deny the obvious for their own selfish pleasures.

Maybe people cant see hope in the other way of life because they are yet to experience it? Scary isnt it when thrown into the unknown without certain control or understanding ...

[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '�')��The rise of agriculture required early farmers to stay near their crops and animals. But these new excavations are challenging the long-held assumption that the first settlements and the transition from hunting and gathering to farming and animal domestication were part of a single process--one that the late Australian archaeologist V. Gordon Childe dubbed the "Neolithic Revolution" (see p. 1446). Catalhoyuk and other sites across the Near East are making it clear that these explanations are too simple and that other factors--including, possibly, a shared cultural revolution that preceded the rise of farming--might also have played a key role.”
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/f ... /5393/1442

Is it possible that a revolutionary shift in the way archaic man viewed the world may have led people to settle together in groups for safety and security? And from these initial rumblings of “civilization” agriculture then arose?

Sheldon Solomon has also been doing some interesting work on a proposal that hunter-gatherers may have built towns not to farm but to pray.

[Zeeea]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '�')��The rise of agriculture required early farmers to stay near their crops and animals. But these new excavations are challenging the long-held assumption that the first settlements and the transition from hunting and gathering to farming and animal domestication were part of a single process--one that the late Australian archaeologist V. Gordon Childe dubbed the "Neolithic Revolution" (see p. 1446). Catalhoyuk and other sites across the Near East are making it clear that these explanations are too simple and that other factors--including, possibly, a shared cultural revolution that preceded the rise of farming--might also have played a key role.”
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/f ... /5393/1442

Is it possible that a revolutionary shift in the way archaic man viewed the world may have led people to settle together in groups for safety and security? And from these initial rumblings of “civilization” agriculture then arose?

Sheldon Solomon has also been doing some interesting work on a proposal that hunter-gatherers may have built towns not to farm but to pray.

[Zeeea]

... and yes we should evolve and im hoping thats whats happening to the general population now with all this enviromental stuff has been brought to their attention and they finally take notice ...when people stop expecting everything just given to them in exchange for some paper and metal and actually get out there and do it for themselves because they are able to, then that is when humans will evolve ...if it goes the other way and people dont take notice I dont think there will be further evolution, man wouldve killed themselves ...and the Earth along with them ...

[Zeeea]

all sounds too hard? hmm we could just all go die instead?

[Devin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'H')ey Devin, I'm glad to hear you are an Alan Watts fan. He's the one I was comparing you to when I said you were an "un-rutted thinker."

[manu]

There have been many great civilizations in the past which modern scientists refuse to accept because it doesn't fit into their world view. If you read the Puranas or Srimad Bhagavatam, it tells you that the earth goes thru cycles, just as the year goes thru seasons. They are called yugas. The earth is a living entity, it has a soul. All life from germs to higher life forms higher then humans have souls. The soul is eternal. It transmigrates from material body to material body untill it gets liberation from the material world. To think that we are the only life in the universe and our history only goes back ten or twenty thousand years is very small minded. You will see another great civilization when it is centered around the soul and God and not around exploiting everything around you for your material sense gratification. Serving God is different from asking God to be your order supplier for material comforts. Become a spiritual warrior, fight the illusion.

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'S')erving God is different from asking God to be your order supplier for material comforts.

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Devin', '
') The air of invulnerable finality I get from this just feels... dead to me. Where is the sense of wonder, the openness to what may come, the excitement of possibility? Life would be very boring indeed without these things.

[Devin]

Didn't say it was necessary, just a feeling I get from what you say. If I were to talk about what you say in terms of nihilism, I might point out that nihilism is merely incredulous toward any form of universal/objective truth or meaning, not personal truth and meaning... and it's this latter that I don't sense you leaving room for with statements like "nope no meaning here".

Obviously I'm assuming and projecting quite a bit, attempting to fill in the internet-gap where the person is not, so I might be entirely off-base and apologize if so.

[Zeeea]

Is it not true, that giving God like idols for people to worship is what has encouraged others to exceed in technology to this extent? To be like them and have that power over people? And hence the monetry system was introduced as a form of that power?

Our Father who art in Heaven ...is it that people need this Holy father to replace their real father who has been a let down so they turn to this one offered them? My father is my father, not God.

Yes people need faith of some sort, whether it be via the church or not, there are other forms of faith. My faith is where my heart is. My kids, my enviroment, our food and drink. Faith in the people here to start working towards getting this world back in order so I can keep faith in my food and drink, YOU ALL have my and everyone else on this planets' fate in your hands. It is this faith that gives me meaning to my life. I dont need God to tell me to respect others or forgive my sins.

Maybe if people didnt think they were being forgiven for all those sins then they wouldnt commit them in the first place? Is it not another way to get away with it? Where are people conscience, after being forgiven by God can they forgive themselves? How about just doing what is right in the first place?

I do not feel the need to look up to any "individual" as my saviour. Only I and the other people on this earth have my fate in their hands, not someone who died 2000 years ago ...

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zeeea', 'I')s it not true, that giving God like idols for people to worship is what has encouraged others to exceed in technology to this extent? To be like them and have that power over people? And hence the monetry system was introduced as a form of that power?

Our Father who art in Heaven ...is it that people need this Holy father to replace their real father who has been a let down so they turn to this one offered them? My father is my father, not God.

Yes people need faith of some sort, whether it be via the church or not, there are other forms of faith. My faith is where my heart is. My kids, my enviroment, our food and drink. Faith in the people here to start working towards getting this world back in order so I can keep faith in my food and drink, YOU ALL have my and everyone else on this planets' fate in your hands. It is this faith that gives me meaning to my life. I dont need God to tell me to respect others or forgive my sins.

Maybe if people didnt think they were being forgiven for all those sins then they wouldnt commit them in the first place? Is it not another way to get away with it? Where are people conscience, after being forgiven by God can they forgive themselves? How about just doing what is right in the first place?

I do not feel the need to look up to any "individual" as my saviour. Only I and the other people on this earth have my fate in their hands, not someone who died 2000 years ago ...

[Zeeea]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zeeea', 'I')s it not true, that giving God like idols for people to worship is what has encouraged others to exceed in technology to this extent? To be like them and have that power over people? And hence the monetry system was introduced as a form of that power?

Our Father who art in Heaven ...is it that people need this Holy father to replace their real father who has been a let down so they turn to this one offered them? My father is my father, not God.

Yes people need faith of some sort, whether it be via the church or not, there are other forms of faith. My faith is where my heart is. My kids, my enviroment, our food and drink. Faith in the people here to start working towards getting this world back in order so I can keep faith in my food and drink, YOU ALL have my and everyone else on this planets' fate in your hands. It is this faith that gives me meaning to my life. I dont need God to tell me to respect others or forgive my sins.

Maybe if people didnt think they were being forgiven for all those sins then they wouldnt commit them in the first place? Is it not another way to get away with it? Where are people conscience, after being forgiven by God can they forgive themselves? How about just doing what is right in the first place?

I do not feel the need to look up to any "individual" as my saviour. Only I and the other people on this earth have my fate in their hands, not someone who died 2000 years ago ...

[manu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'S')erving God is different from asking God to be your order supplier for material comforts.

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')That's right you are serving someone. Either your wife, girlfriend, family, gov't, boss, dog, cat, or at least your own senses. So why try and water all the leaves of the tree, water the root and the whole tree is satisfied, so in the same way, serve the creator and by doing that, all of creation is served.

I can say the same about you, that you are a slave to your senses.
Without understanding your soul and God you are no better than an animal. They also sleep, eat, mate and defend. But it is your choice and also your faith, because belief that there is void or nothing after death is also a belief. So the animals can enjoy thru there senses just as good or better than humans, if you act in animal conciousness this life, expect to get an animal body in the next.

[Zeeea]

If the bible werent open to SO much interpretation it would be plausible ...

we all know whoever interprets will see only his point of view. They have bible studies for that very reason.

So many "good intentions" have been skewed to look evil because of mainstream religions ...too many discrepancies, too many predjudices too many wars have been caused because of religion ...good people are good people regardless of any other factor ...the message of the bible is a "good intention" but individuals who used it as a cover, misinterpretations, corruption, molestation, discrimation, sexism, bigotry, profit, and an anti peaceful society as far as I can gather have ruined it for the true believers to make any differences to me now ...

so quote all you lke, my interpretation is not the same as what I see from the people who are so happy to quote it ...

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zeeea', '
')
...good people are good people regardless of any other factor ...the message of the bible is a "good intention" but individuals who used it as a cover, misinterpretations, corruption, molestation, discrimation, sexism, bigotry, profit, and an anti peaceful society as far as I can gather have ruined it for the true believers to make any differences to me now ...

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