[RazorsEdge]

Note: I do not feel suicidal but I am extremely depressed whenever I read webpages like this - or related items. How do you deal with it? I am very much in debt right now and I don't think I am going to pay everything down before the peak happens. Should I purchase a handgun with a single hollow bullet for "just in case"?

[PenultimateManStanding]

Hang in there buddy. Pretty soon you'll be able to grow new teeth!

[gnm]

{edited by MQ}

Dude! get a grip! for christsakes you have all kind of opportunities right now. Think outside the box for a minute - overwhlemed by debt? consider bankruptcy! Or just leave - go to someplace like Belieze and start over... see the world or something... quit crying in your beer.. do you have any idea how much better you have it than about 90% of the worlds current population?! I can judge that just by the fact that you apparently can read/write/ and are online!

so relaxxxxxx

suicide - sheesh! some people have no paitence!

time will get your ass in the end if nothing else does first!


-G

[DomusAlbion]

Son, seek some kind of counseling. It can help.

Don't give up!

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'H')ang in there buddy. Pretty soon you'll be able to grow new teeth!

[RazorsEdge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'S')on, seek some kind of counseling. It can help.

Don't give up!

[maverickdoc]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RazorsEdge', 'N')ote: I do not feel suicidal but I am extremely depressed whenever I read webpages like this - or related items. How do you deal with it? I am very much in debt right now and I don't think I am going to pay everything down before the peak happens. Should I purchase a handgun with a single hollow bullet for "just in case"?

[threadbear]

Razor's edge, It's depressing. Anyone who doesn't admit being unsettled or depressed by the world right now is playing a very transparent game with other's emotions. It will be very interesting to see how these computer cowboys make out when things get really tough.

The book, "Man's Search for Meaning" by Victor Frankyl is the most beautiful book I have ever read. Frankyl was a Jewish psychology student imprisoned in a concentration camp during the second world war. He did very good studies of individuals and types in the camps, and how their particular personality types responded to horrible and hopeless circumstances.

He said the people who actually did best in these awful conditions were the ones who could escape mentally, into other realms-- the artists, writers, fantasy prone. Isn't it strange, the ones who often have struggles of all sorts, particularly financial, (when society is functioning more normally), do particularly well when things are rotten.

He also underlined that the macho, highly ambitious, externally referenced type failed utterly in camp conditions. They just folded.

I don't know if this is of any help to you. I hope so. It just jumped into my head....so from my head to your head, here it is.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'H')ang in there buddy. Pretty soon you'll be able to grow new teeth!

[RazorsEdge]

Thanks for the support guys

I think I am going to purchase as many MRE's as possible when I can afford it. I've gone through a couple times in my life where I was HUNGRY. Hungry enough to have taken sleeping pills because I couldn't afford food and couldn't face the pain. I can deal with radiation poisoning or having to walk several miles for a bucket of water. But starving is something I don't want to have to face again.

[Ludi]

Try to build a support network with friends. I think community will be the most important thing in the future, more important than individual "survivalist" preparations, though those are important too.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RazorsEdge', '
')I think I am going to purchase as many MRE's as possible when I can afford it. I've gone through a couple times in my life where I was HUNGRY. Hungry enough to have taken sleeping pills because I couldn't afford food and couldn't face the pain. I can deal with radiation poisoning or having to walk several miles for a bucket of water. But starving is something I don't want to have to face again.

[RazorsEdge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RazorsEdge', 'W')here do you live that you could have experienced such hunger?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RazorsEdge', '
')While I was earning my Comp-Sci degree (now as useful as a roll of Charmin). I didn't get the grades in HS so I didn't get a scholarship. I had to work 60-75 hours a week to go to school and eat.

I was eating out of a dumpster and cafeteria trash cans before dumpster diving became cool.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RazorsEdge', 'N')ote: I do not feel suicidal but I am extremely depressed whenever I read webpages like this - or related items. How do you deal with it? I am very much in debt right now and I don't think I am going to pay everything down before the peak happens. Should I purchase a handgun with a single hollow bullet for "just in case"?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
')As far as killing yourself, the least you could is fatten yourself up first and wait till we get a little closer to total societal collapse before offing yourself. At least that way your body could be tossed into the local thermal depolymerization machine so that the rest of us could get some good ole' sweet crude out of the deal.

Doing yourself in right now prior to the widespread deployment of this technology is really a bit selfish, don't you think?

Cheers,

Matt

[threadbear]

Kochevnik, I'm quite sure Frankl made the claim that people who were best able to take an imaginary vacation from hell, did much better in the camp setting. The main theme of the book is transcendental meaning and purpose, exactly as you say. The urge to transcend the mundane or horrific is proportional to the talent of being able to imagine it. I think this was his point. The ones who did surprisingly well were the ones who, by virtue of being slightly withdrawn in temperment, were able to distance themselves psychologically.

I agree with you about entrapment. The lesson of the concentration camps is to learn to predict disaster and then react to in a rational way, using emotions as a guide, rather than following them blindly.

Funny about the fellow with the packed suitcase!

[JR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RazorsEdge', 'N')ote: I do not feel suicidal but I am extremely depressed whenever I read webpages like this - or related items. How do you deal with it? I am very much in debt right now and I don't think I am going to pay everything down before the peak happens. Should I purchase a handgun with a single hollow bullet for "just in case"?

[Madpaddy]

Don't worry Razor,

Your government is about to massively reduce oil demand by lobbing nukes at China. That plus the retaliation should reduce oil demand by about 18 million barrels per day and delay peak by about 10 years.!!!!!

There now, feel better.

[NonToxic]

Razor

I think due to your past experiences you will fair much better than most. You might have had that training for specific reasons. You will know what to do which give you an better than average chance of survival.

I watched Alone in the Wilderness last night. Dick Proenneke is my new hero. As a middle aged man working as a mechanic he left society and moved to Alsaka. With only a few hand tools and no experience he build a log cabin and survived for 30 years on his own. It is possible to prevail.