[nutmeg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'S')ometimes the developing intolerance will be political in nature as one group is scapegoated so that others can hang on to power.

Thugs shout, "Lets kill the baby"$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') baby boy had both legs broken by supporters of President Robert Mugabe to punish his father for being an opposition councillor in Zimbabwe.--snip-- Blessing, who may never be able to walk properly, was one of the youngest victims of atrocities against the opposition party Movement for Democratic Change in the run-up to last Friday’s sham presidential election.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nutmeg', '-')-snip--As a purebred honkey, I do my own grunt labor under the hot sun, but it is admittedly pretty tough. Any practicing White racialist should either do his own grunt labor under the hot sun, or at least buy his food from one who does.

[nutmeg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'I')t is a never ending trap if one wants to be intellectually serious but it is useful for making rhetorical points to back up previous presuppositions... at least it is if you have an unthinking audience.

[Cloud9]

Compassion is comforting a child with a prayer as the shower door closes. France is lovely this time of year. Cloud9

[MrBill]

Can I remind posters that you can add a comment without quoting the entire string of posts, including photos, leading up to yours. Thanks.

I read an interesting short story on the weekend by Somerset Maughan. The setting is WWI and his character is a British agent working in Switzerland. He has to track down and trap a traitor living in Lucerne.

In the process of laying the trap he gets to know the English traitor with the German wife, and sees his human sides - the good and the bad - as well. It is a dilemma for him, but in the end the Englishman is a traitor to his country for a lousy 40 quid per month, so Ashenden (the British agent) sends him knowingly into the trap that has been set for him.

Of course, we the reader know that his German wife knows her husband was a traitor, and even probably urged him on, but the ending of the story is that we suspect he has been lined up against the wall and shot, and this fact suddenly dawns on her in Lucerne when his letters from England never arrive.

Compassion and doing what's necessary are two different things. Ashenden really had no choice. The traitor needed to be caught and dealt with. Compassion for him, his wife or his little dog plays no role.

On another note I can understand nutmeg's frustration with events taking place in Zimbabwe. An absolute disgrace. It was Nelson Mendela's 90th birthday in London this weekend, and all the biggest stars were there to celebrate his triumph over apartheid repression. Not one word was said about Zimbabwe or Robert Mugabe's repression. S. Africa's Mbeki has never criticized Mugabe. The African Union is meeting at the moment in Sharm el Sheik, and the organizers have said that Mugabe is welcome to attend as the official head of state. An absolute disgrace. Where are the armchair liberals now?

[wisconsin_cur]

1. Liberals "invested" in Mugabe. That investment has, undeniably, gone bad.

2. I am hard pressed to think of anyone defending Mugabe.

3. Are liberals to blame for their original investment? If so how long should investors be held responsible for the actions of a company that they once invested in? If I sell my shares in Dow Chemicals in 1982, after buying them in 1950, am I still morally responsible for Bhopal? If so are we willing to accept blame for our own investments that may have "gone bad" or is this just a way to take a swipe at "liberals"? Is there a little bit of envy at work? Meaning is their morbid joy in the failure of this liberal experiment just to spite liberals?

4. "Africa is not condemning him loud enough." Is Asia doing a loud enough job condemning N. Korea? Is Canada doing a loud enough job condemning the imperial over-reach of the United States?

I am not defending Mugabe, I think he is deserving of more scorn than he is receiving but this does feel a bit like a double standard. Lets face it, really ought to be too busy trying to manage their own problems to get caught up in Zimbabwe's drama.

[MrBill]

Perhaps you're right, Cur, but it did not stop the world's stars from throwing a big birthday party for their poster child against white repression, while their condemnation of black repression in Africa was conspicuously absent. I was just worried one of those armchair liberals would hurt themselves by so vigorously patting themselves on the back!

Cur wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I am not defending Mugabe, I think he is deserving of more scorn than he is receiving but this does feel a bit like a double standard. Lets face it, (we) really ought to be too busy trying to manage their own problems to get caught up in Zimbabwe's drama.

[wisconsin_cur]

Actually as I was trying to edit down my original post I omitted an important noun in the text quoted above.

What I meant to say is that African leaders should be focused on their own problems (granted many of them are not focused on their own problems) and so perhaps I am giving them a small bit of a pass.

I do not blame Mexico for not speaking out against anyone, because I expect Mexico to be working on Mexico's problems. I will hold Mexico responsible for not working on their own problems and I will hold other African nations responsible for not working on their own problems. The United States will be held responsible for not addressing its problems (and mounting ever higher they are).

There is plenty of blame to shovel about without holding nations responsible for not denouncing one another loudly enough.

[MrBill]

Well, you may be right, that events in Zimbabwe are primarily Zimbabwe's problem and responsibility, but as the recent election shows once a tyrant has a monopoly on force, and is willing to use it to intimidate his political opponents, there is not much its citizens can do other than leave causing problems for their neighbors such as recent anti-immigrant bashing in S. African against Zimbabwe refugees.

Eighty-percent all of migration is to neighboring countries many of them poor and unable to absorb those economic and political regugees as well as deal with their own development problems.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Monitors from both Zimbabwe's neighbors in the Southern African Development Community (SADC) and the Pan-African parliament said the vote was undermined by violence and did not reflect the will of the people.

Indications ahead of the summit suggested the leaders will reject strong Western calls for hefty new sanctions on Zimbabwe and press instead for talks between Mugabe and Tsvangirai.

Some of the leaders favor a power-sharing deal modeled on the one the ended a bloody post-election crisis in Kenya earlier this year in which 1,500 people died.

Zimbabwe's crisis has ruined a once prosperous country, saddling it with the world's worst rate of hyper-inflation and sending millions of refugees into neighboring countries.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mr. Bill', 'C')ompassion and doing what's necessary are two different things. Ashenden really had no choice. The traitor needed to be caught and dealt with. Compassion for him, his wife or his little dog plays no role.

[nutmeg]

I think the lesson we need to take from Rhodesia/Zimbabwe is that there is no moral virtue in wrecking White dominated and/or White majority countries. So the next time some church lady intones "diversity is our strength" or a Chamber of Commerce pig says, "We need immigrants to do jobs Americans won't do" just remember the history of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

It was a perfectly functioning White dominated country, and condemned by chest thumping, wailing liberals worldwide.

And just watch -- South Africa is going to sh*t too, it's 15 years behind Zimbabwe. Zim was lost in 1979, SA was lost in 1994.

So, YT, get this -- Survival is its own justification. A liberal who says, "diversity is our strength" is participating in the future murder of White children. White farm families in Zimbabwe were horribly tortured and murdered.

Woman tortured to death with boiling water, thanks to liberals:



Here is another excerpt from the full 12 minute documentary called "The Songs they Sing", which contains much interesting footage and many more songs which they sing, some in Xhosa, and even some in english (like "Kill the Boers...").

The singing about the killing of the whites continues to this day. Jacob Zuma, who wants to be our next President leads the singing of the song "My Machinegun" at every political rally he holds - right now, in 2006! He could be our president in 2009!

This portion shows Nelson Mandela and Ronnie Kasrils at a funeral in 1992, where all the ANC/SACP members sing about killing the whites. This excerpt shows Mandela there, and it contrasts the words of the song, sung in Xhosa (the tribe from which Mandela comes), with the words he speaks in english. It also shows other members of the ANC, including women and children singing the same words. It has been noted over the years, that often, these black leaders, say one thing in a "native" language, but when questionined in english, they say something very different. In this excerpt you will see that.

This portion of the movie is 6.7Mb in size and can be downloaded here:-


http://www.africancrisis.org/Movies/The ... andela.wmv

Here's a recipient of liberal compassion/African liberation -- his face is burned and he was tortured/murdered:

images changed to links by wisconsin_cur

Shotgun blasted face of a white farmer. Hey liberals, here's your work, be proud of it!

images changed to links by wisconsin_cur

Liberals are just so compassionate and wonderful! When this happens to your grandchildren, they'll ignore it and pat themselves on the back even more, unless you stop them! You're next, YT!
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I would just point out one aspect of the Code of Conduct
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[TWilliam]

The problem is not liberal values. The problem is applying liberal values to cultures that have not yet matured to the developmental level that espouses liberal values and expecting them to suddenly become liberal.

A liberal mindset is a product of maturity, not simply a matter of education (tho' it is true that better educated people do tend toward liberal thought). One must develop and grow within one's own self until one reaches the point of actually comprehending, not simply as an idea but as an actually felt reality, that one is truly one with all of humanity before one is capable of having compassion for another human beyond one's 'group' (however that group is defined; family, tribe, race, nation, etc.). That capability is a measure of maturity...

[MrBill]

Wow, nutmeg, my criticism of armchair liberals for being hypocrites stops well short of racial hatred. I want to officially disassociate any of my comments from yours. Thanks.

[nutmeg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'W')ow, nutmeg, my criticism of armchair liberals for being hypocrites stops well short of racial hatred. I want to officially disassociate any of my comments from yours. Thanks.

[MrBill]

I am uncomfortable with the whole them and us, black versus white debate as it does not reflect my values. I am sure that where there has been ethnic or racial violence and civil war that videos and images can be produced by both side to show the barbarity of the other side. I do not believe segregation is the answer either.

So if you did not mean to promote racism in your posts then I would just urge you to think more carefully about what you post and in what context. I watched some very disturbing Russian neo-Nazi propaganda made by an investigative journalist. I do not believe such material should be censored, but it is perhaps not a peak oil related issue, and therefore better saved for another forum.

I think that for visitors to Peak Oil any hint of racism dilutes our message and destroys our credibility. Thanks.

[nutmeg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'I') am uncomfortable with the whole them and us, black versus white debate as it does not reflect my values. I am sure that where there has been ethnic or racial violence and civil war that videos and images can be produced by both side to show the barbarity of the other side. --snip-- I think that for visitors to Peak Oil any hint of racism dilutes our message and destroys our credibility. Thanks.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'A') liberal mindset is a product of maturity, not simply a matter of education (tho' it is true that better educated people do tend toward liberal thought). One must develop and grow within one's own self until one reaches the point of actually comprehending, not simply as an idea but as an actually felt reality, that one is truly one with all of humanity before one is capable of having compassion for another human beyond one's 'group' (however that group is defined; family, tribe, race, nation, etc.). That capability is a measure of maturity...

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'I') am uncomfortable with the whole them and us, black versus white debate as it does not reflect my values. --snip-- I think that for visitors to Peak Oil any hint of racism dilutes our message and destroys our credibility. Thanks.

[nutmeg]

But advocating White interests is somehow "evil," eh Mr. Bill? Just let those rotten White kids get their just comeuppance for being born White!

Future BNP voters

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 220467.ece

White children most likely to be bullied
Joanna Sugden

White children are much more likely to be bullied than any other ethnic group - reversing racial stereotypes surrounding playground abuse, Government research indicates.

Two thirds of children from white families say they had been bullied in the last three years but less than half of children of Indian origin make the same assertion.

Anti-bullying campaigners say white children are now in the minority in some areas raising their chances of being bullied.

Claude Knights, director of anti-bullying charity Kidscape, said:“More and more we’re hearing that in some cities it isn’t the usual isolation of ethnic groups, suddenly we have got statistics that show we have got a larger number of white young people being bullied.
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“In some cities there’s a dislocation of certain white children. So many cultures around them are being celebrated but where’s their place? There’s been such an attempt that you don’t forget what has come in to the system that what was there already has been forgotten.” This isolation makes children feel “different” she said, and was likely to lead to them being bullied.

Six in ten children of black Caribbean origin said they had experienced bullying in the last three years, according to research into 16-year-olds by the Department for Children Schools and Families(DCSF). The results indicated that 58 per cent of children from Pakistani backgrounds and 54 per cent of those with Bangladeshi roots had been victims of bullies.

Louise Burfitt-Dons, founder of the charity Act Against Bullying, which cut ties with Jade Goody after allegations of racist bullying against Indian actress Shilpa Shetty on Big Brother, said: “Normally all you hear about is bullying with racial groups being discriminated against.

“Whites are becoming more aggressive than they used to be as a result of trying to intergrate into a new society norm that is so aggressive. They have changed the way they behave in order to survive.”

The study also found that boys are just as likely to be bullied as girls but as many as eight in ten children with a disability that affects their school life said they had suffered at the hands of bullies in the last three years.

A spokesperson for the DCSF said:”We have given teachers and heads the powers and support they need to prevent and tackle bullying. But bullying is a challenge we must all face up to and we need the support of teachers, heads, parents, young people and bystanders. It is important that children and young people who experience bullying speak out and do not suffer in silence.”

[PalatineCreator]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'I') am uncomfortable with the whole them and us, black versus white debate as it does not reflect my values. I--snip-- I think that for visitors to Peak Oil any hint of racism dilutes our message and destroys our credibility. Thanks.