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Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Chaos

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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby Mesuge » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 06:32:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')Read "The World Without Us," by Alan Weisman. When we're gone the unwinding will be surprisingly rapid, at least of the visible signs that we were here. Yes, there will be some buried junk that will last nearly forever. So what.


Agreed, just look at the rapid pace of human made object destruction aka re-wilderment in various place around the globe. The best examples are various left-behind self-desintegrating industrial complexes, or the city of Pripjat (Chernobyl), which is now turned basically into an area of gorgeous wildlife refuge, and that's only two decades after the event.

The problem is that the extinction/reduction of the psycho-ape species from ~7-9bln. peak pop developing throughout this century will cause such a havoc in its last kick that many interesting creatures and ecosystem will vanish for good, which is a shame!

Hah, I hope that the ETs have recorded them at least on some sort of highres 3D video tape (narrated by David Attenborough) or stored as genetic samples ready to be replanted some day. I can picture the ETs elementary school lectures focused on the dangers of the psycho-ape from "Earth" causing ultimate havoc.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 12:33:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')Read "The World Without Us," by Alan Weisman. When we're gone the unwinding will be surprisingly rapid, at least of the visible signs that we were here. Yes, there will be some buried junk that will last nearly forever. So what.


Agreed, just look at the rapid pace of human made object destruction aka re-wilderment in various place around the globe. The best examples are various left-behind self-desintegrating industrial complexes, or the city of Pripjat (Chernobyl), which is now turned basically into an area of gorgeous wildlife refuge, and that's only two decades after the event.


That's a good one, but I like Detroit better. If you can choke your way past the guy's racist rhetoric, he illustrates modern urban reclamation quite effectively.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 14:37:51

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The atmosphere is not a geologic feature of the Earth, as far as I know.


Really ??

So Greenland's ice shelf slipping into the Atlantic because of AGW IS NOT geologic?

That's very interesting.


That's right, Roccman. The atmosphere is not part of the geosphere, although obviously there are important relationships between them. Geology is the study of the solid matter constituting the earth.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby roccman » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 14:51:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
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The atmosphere is not a geologic feature of the Earth, as far as I know.


Really ??

So Greenland's ice shelf slipping into the Atlantic because of AGW IS NOT geologic?

That's very interesting.


That's right, Roccman. The atmosphere is not part of the geosphere, although obviously there are important relationships between them. Geology is the study of the solid matter constituting the earth.


The question was - is Greensland's iceshelf slipping into the Atlantic because of AGW (assuming caused by man) geologic?

I say it is.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby Dezakin » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 15:34:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
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The atmosphere is not a geologic feature of the Earth, as far as I know.


Really ??

So Greenland's ice shelf slipping into the Atlantic because of AGW IS NOT geologic?

That's very interesting.


That's right, Roccman. The atmosphere is not part of the geosphere, although obviously there are important relationships between them. Geology is the study of the solid matter constituting the earth.


The question was - is Greensland's iceshelf slipping into the Atlantic because of AGW (assuming caused by man) geologic?

I say it is.

I think the jury is out on how much climate change so far is due to anthropogenic CO2 and how much are existing long term trends.

But I don't doubt that anthropogenic CO2 will very likely be responsible for the bulk of climate change over the next several centuries.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 16:24:05

I suppose you're right about that, Rocc. And the slippage will leave scars on the underlying rock that will last a very long time.

I think our most enduring impact will be biological, though. We will have set evolution down entirely new pathways. God knows what we'll end up with. Rats the size of bears.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby bodigami » Thu 03 Jul 2008, 23:46:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') suppose you're right about that, Rocc. And the slippage will leave scars on the underlying rock that will last a very long time.

I think our most enduring impact will be biological, though. We will have set evolution down entirely new pathways. God knows what we'll end up with. Rats the size of bears.


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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby keehah » Thu 03 Jul 2008, 23:55:13

We will have depleted all the best ores and most concentrated (and accessible) geological energy sources.

Technically perhaps anthropcene does not include the great mass extinction of life and transportation of invasive species to near every corner of the planet.
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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby RacerJace » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 06:38:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '.')...

So there is nothing particularly "arrogant" about confirming such a designation; it is simple acknowledgement of the havoc we have bestowed upon our little home.


No more arrogant than us giving all other distinctive periods in time a name that has meaning to us. Who knows there may be aliens out there in the galaxy watching our brief existence play out in some relative time-space millennia from now (once the light and radiation from our little planet reaches them).

What would they call it .. ?

ARmmmmph goraoliczar ticheszarg (plus some inaudible gestures)

=> literal translation

"the many fire mushrooms from the great defecation on the fan hitting time and its precluding rise of the many hairless ones"

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Re: Welcome to the "Anthropocene" - and to its Cha

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 04 Jul 2008, 11:37:32

For the distant rat geologists, products of the mass extinctions of the Anthropocene and the subsequent evolutionary radiation of rodents, the Anthropocene will be marked by a stratigraphic layer containing plastics and heightened radioactive isotopes. Of course by then it won't seem recent and they'll have to come up with a different name for the period.
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