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This is really going to happen, right?

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Unread postby Doly » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 10:51:12

Strange, I realise now that I've lived all my life assuming that the future is very uncertain when everybody else around me assumed the opposite. Maybe that's why it took me such a short time to accept the peak oil theory.

I left a "rock solid" job as a teacher five years ago and everybody told me I was mad. I thought they were mad for thinking that one could expect to have a guaranteed lifetime. I had no specific reason, I just had read enough of my grandfather's diaries and general history to have a feeling that guaranteed lifetime jobs are an illusion, and that tough times during one's lifetime are almost a certainty, unless you are very lucky or live a short time.
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Unread postby Aaron » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 10:56:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou were thinking that you'll never hear another piece of original music again. That you'll never read a book that hasn't already been written or see a film that hasn't already been shot.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Unread postby spear » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 12:47:25

Theres going to be three kinds of people pretty soon.
Hungry people.
Dead people
Survivors.
That may be a grim forecast,but its the best I can come up with.
Find the motivation and find a way.
Of course nothing is guaranteed and set in stone.
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Re: This is really going to happen, right?

Unread postby 0mar » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 13:51:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob_Reloaded', 'I') mean, we're basically right on the verge, right? Whether it's right now or three years or five years or even ten, you know, that doesn't really make much of a difference.

We're actually going to be the ones in the front seat of the rollercoaster on its way down. We are going to watch it happen all around us and have to figure out how we need to behave in order to have what we think of as a favorable outcome.

We are going to be some of the ones who decide how this is going to happen.

Do we decide to have mobs of millions of starving people looting and ransacking everything in sight from inside our concrete bunkers?

Do we decide to give in to an Orwellian big-brother authoritarian state that will decide everything for you in advance, and your chocolate ration will increase to 25 grams per week?

Do we let the old and the sick die off so we don't have to support them anymore?

What's this going to look like after the fact? Will we pull an Easter Island and erect SUV statues in people's front yards?

At the moment, it's looking more and more like 1984 to me than any of the other choices, except the lower classes will be tracked just as thoroughly and completely as the middle class. What middle class, really.

Wow.

I'm just totally floored by this again. It hits me every once in a while, you know? Right now, I really am just right in the middle of realizing what's coming and how it's going to affect me and my family and all my friends, and everybody I've ever worked with and all the people who live in my neighborhood right now.


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Unread postby Palkerss » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 15:05:13

Hi. I came across this forum 'by chance' but this topic is quite alarming.
I'm 20, I live in Poland - as a post-communist country we're at the point where american economy was in its early 50's. As a country we have a total 500km (290mi) of highways (sic!) and the goverment is planning (since late 90's with no success) to create additional 2,000 km by 2015.
Political situation (especially recent) is very unstable, with russian agents "planting" political 'bombs' (files of ex-KGB agents among politicians suddenly emerge from nowhere). We've just joined the most socialist creation ever - European Union - which's slowly rottening and likely to collapse in notime.
Here I am, a young 'bloke' with little knowledge of the surrounding world, 'eager' to become a computer specialist - I'm a Computer Science student. Well I would be but I've failed most of the end-term exams, who knows, maybe for the sake of my future.
Here's my problem - I don't really know what direction should I take - continue these studies at all costs or rather choose a different, more practical, but financially less attractive occupancy?
I know, this post is a bit childish, but please treat it and respond to it seriously. Yours sincerely, Lukas.
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Re: This is really going to happen, right?

Unread postby JoeW » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 15:08:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TrueKaiser', '
')the strange thing is Hollywood has a decent(but only slightly above the statistical 50/50) rating at predicting the future. take for example the original start trek series. it predicted, mobile phones, personal computers, diskettes and cd's, and voice recognition.


that's primarily because engineers at ibm, sony, etc. tend to watch a lot fo star trek. it is their primary source of research ideas! somewhere right now, some geek is scratching his head, staring blankly at something that he hopes will one day be a warp drive.
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Unread postby bobbyald » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 17:55:17

Palkerss

I'm not sure anyone can give you the advice you’re looking for. I've not exactly made the greatest decisions in my life but I'm surviving. Whatever you do just make sure you enjoy life to the full.


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I know what you mean though. You look around and wonder if your privileged or cursed to know and understand what 99%+ of your fellow humans don't.
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Re: This is really going to happen, right?

Unread postby Kaminyu » Thu 10 Mar 2005, 16:56:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TrueKaiser', 't')he strange thing is Hollywood has a decent(but only slightly above the statistical 50/50) rating at predicting the future. take for example the original start trek series. it predicted, mobile phones, personal computers, diskettes and cd's, and voice recognition.


Another great example is the 1996 movie "Escape from L.A.". What's really amazing about it, is how much the president, as portrayed in that movie, is like George W. Bush.
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Unread postby seahorse2 » Thu 10 Mar 2005, 17:07:01

Palkerss,

Whatever you are doing now is the right thing to do. I'm impressed, bc you have such a command of the english language, which is obviously a second language for you being from Poland. So, you are very bright to have mastered another language so well. That just tells me you don't have a lot to worry about, no matter what choice you make. There are no right or wrong decisions, all you can do is make the best decision at the time based on the information you have. Learning, is always good, if nothing else, it opens your mind and allows you to problem solve. I think that problem solving is a very important skill, PO or not. Keep the learning up, keep good friends, stay alert and aware, and you will be ahead of the bunch. I liken PO to a joke about two campers. A hungry bear walks into camp. One camper starts putting on his shoes. The other camper says, why are you putting on your shoes, you can't outrun that bear. The other camper says, I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you. PO is like the bear. You don't have to outrun the bear, just all the other people that aren't mentally prepared or ready. Its the law of averages, some people survive anything, including the German concentration camps. You just have to outlast the others. And you will.
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Re: This is really going to happen, right?

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Thu 10 Mar 2005, 17:23:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob_Reloaded', 'W')e're actually going to be the ones in the front seat of the rollercoaster on its way down. We are going to watch it happen all around us and have to figure out how we need to behave in order to have what we think of as a favorable outcome.

There isn't going to be a "Peak Oil Day". Things have been playing out for a long time now.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7137552/
[quote]Engineers' report card covers 12 categories, sees decline vs. 2001

MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 11:23 a.m. ET March 9, 2005

WASHINGTON - Crowded schools, traffic-choked roads and transit cutbacks are
eroding the quality of American life, according to an analysis by civil
engineers that gave the nation’s infrastructure an overall grade of D.

A report by the American Society of Civil Engineers released Wednesday assessed
the four-year trend in the condition of 12 categories of infrastructure.

The overall grade slipped from the D+ given in 2001 and 2003. Overall
conditions remained the same for bridges, dams and solid waste, the group said,
and worsened in roads, drinking water, transit, wastewater, hazard waste,
navigable waterways and energy.

"The condition of our nation’s roads, bridges, drinking water systems and other
public works have shown little to no improvement since they were graded an
overall D+ in 2001, with some areas sliding toward failing grades," the society
said.

'Patch and pray' criticized

“Americans are spending more time stuck in traffic and less time at home with
their families,â€
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