[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')Primarily, that we don't know what the rate of oil decline will be.

Second, we are continung to try to find ways to replace the "phantom" sugar in our petri dish...furthering overshoot numbers for an even more resounding crash later with even greater collapse of the environment.

4.5% is the current decline of existing fields. Some believe it will be closer to 8% some say 2%.

Let's do some math using the Rule of 70 to determine doubling time.

70/4.5 = 15 1/2 years until oil production goes from peak to half of peak.

In todays numbers, that means 85 mbpd to 42.5 mbpd.

70/8% = 8 3/4 years.

70/2% = 35 years.

Everyone is hoping for the 2%.

Answer: No one knows.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', ' ')What's the point?

[MonteQuest]

BTW, according to the "principles of biology/ecology" we are in overshoot, not according to me.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ature is going to take care of our little population problem at some point regardless of what we do.

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', ' ')What's the point?

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', ' ')

But not too late to reduce carrying capacity devastation.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', ' ') It's like continually telling someone who is terminally ill over and over again that they are going to die.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', ' ')

But not too late to reduce carrying capacity devastation.

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', ' ')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', ' ') It's like continually telling someone who is terminally ill over and over again that they are going to die.

[AirlinePilot]

Wow, what a thread, just finished reading this tonight.

I've got one thing to say to the more "experienced posters here.....

I TOLD YOU SO.

It's happening fast and as oil goes through the ceiling and affects everyone's lives (like we have all been predicting for so long) your going to see this corny mindset from the majority of the population.

I'm with Rockman and Monte and all the other realists here. There is a better way. Hoping and wishing the status quo will remain is futile and probably detrimental to humanity moving forward with any hope of averting catastrophe.

Once youv'e pondered this question for a while it becomes crystal clear how monumentally fracked the human species already is. Yes we can probably do some things to mitigate what Monte has been talking about all along, but they will be unpopular, socially and morally frightening, but in the end necessary.

It always reminds me of the line in the movie Day after Tomorrow when the Scientist in the UK finds out about the modeling data. His realization is immediate and conclusive. When Dennis Quaid asks his learned advice his response is deadpan.....

"Save as many as you can".

I truly believe that is already where we are with this.

Drilling will happen, but we will soon know the fear and desperation we see out along the horizon. Drilling may buy us some tiny shreds of time but it cannot hold against the coming decline.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', ' ')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', ' ') It's like continually telling someone who is terminally ill over and over again that they are going to die.

[Snik]

Ok, lay it on the table for us Monte. Specifically, what does get out of the way of diseases mean in your book?

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'W')ow, what a thread, just finished reading this tonight.

I've got one thing to say to the more "experienced posters here.....

I TOLD YOU SO.

It's happening fast and as oil goes through the ceiling and affects everyone's lives (like we have all been predicting for so long) your going to see this corny mindset from the majority of the population.

I'm with Rockman and Monte and all the other realists here. There is a better way. Hoping and wishing the status quo will remain is futile and probably detrimental to humanity moving forward with any hope of averting catastrophe.

Once youv'e pondered this question for a while it becomes crystal clear how monumentally fracked the human species already is. Yes we can probably do some things to mitigate what Monte has been talking about all along, but they will be unpopular, socially and morally frightening, but in the end necessary.

It always reminds me of the line in the movie Day after Tomorrow when the Scientist in the UK finds out about the modeling data. His realization is immediate and conclusive. When Dennis Quaid asks his learned advice his response is deadpan.....

"Save as many as you can".

I truly believe that is already where we are with this.

Drilling will happen, but we will soon know the fear and desperation we see out along the horizon. Drilling may buy us some tiny shreds of time but it cannot hold against the coming decline.

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', ' ')
Personally I'm going to go give my wife a kiss and a hug and tell her how lucky I am to be going through life with someone who can handle the truth and doesn't feel entitled to the "american dream".

Snik, you have my sympathies, you really do.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', 'O')k, lay it on the table for us Monte. Specifically, what does get out of the way of diseases mean in your book?

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', 'O')k, lay it on the table for us Monte. Specifically, what does get out of the way of diseases mean in your book?

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', ' ')
Personally I'm going to go give my wife a kiss and a hug and tell her how lucky I am to be going through life with someone who can handle the truth and doesn't feel entitled to the "american dream".

Snik, you have my sympathies, you really do.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '
')Hope is not a plan.

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', 'O')k, lay it on the table for us Monte. Specifically, what does get out of the way of diseases mean in your book?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '
')It's easy to promote these ideas when your ass isn't on the line.

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '
')Hope is not a plan.