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Bloggers- reliable news or opinionated garbage.

Postby stu » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 09:31:03

What do people think of bloggers who report on news?

Is this sort of reporting reliable or is it just a waste of time?

I tend to find myself ignoring blogs that try and report on events. It is good to get an eyewitness account of events but I personally feel that there is too much out there that could easily be misleading or unreliable.

There's nothing wrong with reading peoples thoughts and opinions but I think they should leave the reporting to the reporters.
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Postby Wildwell » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 10:19:57

All Bloggers are pushing is an opinion, which may be right or wrong. But then again, all newspapers do that to a greater or less extent. Some UK newspapers are extremely biased in all sorts of areas, and very little fact can be found in some of them on some subjects. I don’t see much difference between newspapers and Bloggers TBH. You could turn to scientific works, but most scientists agree on just a few core principals. Arguably mathematics is the purest of science, everything else requires more theory or fuzzy logic. Some sciences are based on huge strands of fuzzy logic, economics arguably being one of them.

I think Bloggs are just as valid as any newspaper. They aren’t academic, so cannot be relied on as much as science, but even science must be regarded with some scepticism.

Personally I have pretty much abandoned newspapers as a media source. This has one big caveat; some of the information on the web must be regarded as extremely distorting. I’ve seen a lot of stuff which people argue are facts, are in fact just skewed opinions. I’m always suspicious of things that say ‘Myth v fact’, or talk about ‘common sense’ or ‘truth’.
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Postby entropyfails » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 10:27:00

Dan Rather thought that too.

*grin*

If you want news that comes from a large professional organization that follows the mainstream thought patterns, then the professional reporters will server you fine. If you want information that you feel that these sorts of organizations will not pick up on, then what?

Everyone can get classified as a reporter if they follow a few simple rules of fact checking and multiple sourcing. Some blogs do this and would count as “reportersâ€
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Postby Wildwell » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 11:28:59

Yep, read and listen as widely as possible. Mainstream media tends to be full of 'real people' just as any other walk of life is, and a lot of what they push is their opinion. Some of it is referenced, but, shall we say, they have their favourite references!

I'll admit to changing my mind from time to time on quite big subjects, just as the result of new information. But is something looks outlandish; I'll tend to look into it more. One reason why I'm interested in paranormal subjects is not because I believe them, just because there's so much of a 'big question'.

Each media is different countries has its own market, Aunt Sally subjects (Things it likes to knock), and things is likes to push. I’ve compiled a list of publications below, feel free to disagree:

Aunt Sally subjects: Politicians when they aren’t singing from the hymnbook of that paper, Celebs when there is a scandal (Tabloid papers), The environment, making money (left wing papers), wasting money (right wing papers), the weather and its effects, railways, Drug companies, the Police service, health scares.

Lovvie subjects: Safety at any cost, The NHS, money v people (left ring and right wing, but with different slants), Some celebs, Public services, The so-called ‘war on the motorist’.

It’s all about selling copy at the end of the day, and newspapers know the ‘formulas’.

Newspapers:

The Sun. Red top centre right tabloid newspaper aimed people who have more interest in ‘chattering class’ subjects such as celebs, sex. Some news analysis and scoops, but is not very in depth.

The Mirror. Red top centre left tabloid newspaper, similar to the Sun, but tends to be very consumer issue orientated and focuses on Left wing ‘Lovvie’ subjects like NHS scandals etc

The Daily Mail. Tends to be one of the more controversial papers these days because some of its vocal views. It’s essentially a powerful right wing paper, with a heavy female readership. It leads on things like anti-environment subjects, pro-motoring, tough on crime, big on subjects that it sees as a waste of money. It’s the one paper in the UK that does not accept climate change arguments and is against nanotechnology, which it says will turn the world ‘grey’. It’s probably the most powerful paper after the Sun in the UK, some would argue more powerful because of the papers’ influence of politics along with its sister paper ‘The London Evening Standard’.

The Express. This paper is much like the Daily mail, but with (statistically) less of a female readership. Some argue the Express is more right wing than the Daily mail.

The Guardian. Centre Left broadsheet, cited by many as the home of the politically correct. It is said to be read by BBC employees and Labour paper people in Camden Coffee shops. Always been a big seller in Local government and the Teaching profession, for which is carries supplements. Tends to be pro environment, pro public services.

The Daily telegraph: Is a right wing broadsheet. It has taken over from ‘The Times’ as the businessman’s paper. It’s essentially a more in-depth Daily mail, albeit more subtle with the papers’ ‘shock stories’. Some would argue that along with the Times it is essentially read by Conservative people at golf clubs and social meetings.

The Times. Much like the Daily telegraph, it does have some subtle differences and has tried to re-invent it self for young right wing students and business people.

The Independent. Is a serious newspaper, some would argue is dry compared to the other broadsheets because of its ‘central’ political stance. Left wing people tend to say it’s a right wing paper, and vice versa!

TV & Radio

The BBC: Tries to be ‘fair, but is actually just as biased in some areas as other media outlets. Some say the BBC is centre left and ‘politically correct’. I’d argue the Beeb is PC, anything else is open for debate because it can have some ‘skewed views’ either way depending on the journalist. The BBC is essentially a reflection of middle England.

ITV (ITN). It tends to be a watered down BBC with a more commercial outlook.

Channel Four. Pretty much like a serious ITV. It has been alleged that Blair likes to use channel four as an outlet - especially on ‘channel four news’.

TV is Britain tends to be quite fair on the whole, but it does have its ‘knocking subjects’.

Radio

Most BBC radio reflects general BBC outlook, there are few commercial National stations with heavy news output other than the wireless group’s ‘Talk Sport’, which is by and large a right wing station or extreme right wing station but more by the virtue of it’s presenters outlook. Uses the Daily mail heavily for its output ideas.
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Postby Riddick » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 14:38:26

I will take the Blogs over Rupert Murdoch's personal agenda and his legion of whores like O'Reilly, Hannity, and Coulter spewing their bullshit propoganda any day.

The rest of the networks ignore the real news anyway. Here's a perfect example: Martha Stewart's release has been the top story for almost three days now.

Who gives a rat's ass?

And guess who wants to censor bloggers? Nothing like trying to keep the population dumb and un-questioning.
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Postby Trab » Wed 09 Mar 2005, 15:42:53

Blogs are just like any other form of media. You need to read all of it with a critical eye and look for the bias. Some bloggers are just more open about their bias than 'Mainstream Media' types.

I read things from all over the political spectrum. If you're careful at reading, you can often connect the dots much more accurately that way.
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The Bumpy Road Down, Part 3

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Re: Bloggers- reliable news or opinionated garbage.

Postby Tanada » Sat 27 Jan 2018, 03:58:32

Yup, 'Kollapsnicks' will cling to any news item that supports their world view and completely disregard all others. They are not alone in this behavior but they are a highly visible presence on this web site because of the subject matter.
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Postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 27 Jan 2018, 17:04:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Trab', 'B')logs are just like any other form of media. You need to read all of it with a critical eye and look for the bias. Some bloggers are just more open about their bias than 'Mainstream Media' types.

I read things from all over the political spectrum. If you're careful at reading, you can often connect the dots much more accurately that way.

This has the "Wisdom of crowds" sort of meme going for it. OTOH, what are the odds one can read several or many wildly biased blogs and transform the overall message into pearls of wisdom at the right time to benefit vs. the time spent? (I'm talking about real world benefit, not just entertainment.)

History seems to show that if one checks out, say, three credible MSM sources for the news, picking one with a left wing, right wing, and moderate history, generally one can get a decent idea of what is going on with most issues (re real world data and impact). If in doubt, there are always additional sources. Sometimes an international perspective helps, which is why I have used The Economist from time to time (more of a Euopean centered look at the world, in my experience).

If we use something we can actually measure the success of, re such bloggers/news, like investment returns based on results, such bloggers are generally TERRIBLE as a group at investment advice, beating some dead horse decade after decade. What are the odds that you get the TIMING needed to profit long term from such "advice"? (The "brilliant" doomer advisor in 2007-2008 has been absolutely HORRIBLE in 2009-2018 (and likely over the next several decades, overall)).

Such opinions are fabulous entertainment for some. Enjoy it. It's likely better than much of modern music or TV, IMO. But consider it a good source for realistically interpreting the world (outside your own echo-chamber)? Good luck with that.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Bloggers- reliable news or opinionated garbage.

Postby asg70 » Tue 06 Feb 2018, 11:24:23

This forum is pretty much the personification of the ills of the modern internet as far as constructing your own tailor-made reality via cherry-picking and not exercising the right form of skepticism.

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Someone should actually record the source of links cited here over the course of a month or two. I think you'll find a pie-chart that contains Zerohedge and Ugo Bardi and little else. The cherry-picking is real.

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Re: Gail Tverberg: Raising Interest Rates Is Like Starting a

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Gail Tverberg: Raising Interest Rates Is Like Starting a Fission Chain Reaction

Imperfect as it is, I'll take the work the Fed has done over time vs. the speculative ramblings of Gail Tverberg all the time.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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