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Evidence for correlation between crime and economy.
Re: Evidence for correlation between crime and economy.
by Jenab6 » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 17:00:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', 'T')he "poverty causes crime" hypothesis does not agree with observational evidence, and we must conclude, therefore, that it is false, however fond liberals might be of it.
Your race statistics are simpleminded and flawed because blacks are more likely to be policed, arrested, and convicted - justly or otherwise. Crime statistics are a function of what is written down in police blotters, not what happens in the world. Anyway, don't hijack my thread, honky.
Racial egalitarians often regard their own assertions as being entitled to stand without proof, in the absence of evidence. I guess that I shouldn't be surprised, since they also insist that those assertions be believed despite any contrary evidence that might exist.
The fact is that Blacks are not the victims of official racism. They are arrested more often than Whites, and convicted more often than Whites, because they commit far more crimes than Whites do.
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[/align]If anything, the racial bias in government is anti-White, not anti-Black. To illustrate: every year, for the past decade, Blacks committed something like 50 times as many interracial violent crimes as White criminals did. But the police applied the "hate crime" aggravating circumstance to crimes with White offenders far more frequently than to crimes with Black offenders. The result was that Black "hate crimes" outnumber White "hate crimes" by only a ratio (depending on which year you consider) between 2.5 and 4.0. Not 50, as the crimes themselves would seem to call for.
That's "the shape of the river" where official racism is concerned. It isn't anti-Black. It's anti-White.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', 'I') don't understand why people think a belief in the correlation between poverty and crime is a necessary part of the liberal agenda. In fact, I have only seen the claim that it is made when it was used by racists as a way to insinuate that if the poverty-crime link cannot be made, you must fall back on the race-crime link...
The correlation of race and crime really exists. The correlation between poverty and crime exists, too, but it is swamped by the racial factor. Race is more than an order of magnitude more significant than poverty as a correlate of crime perpetration. Furthermore, race is the best single predictor of crime in an area; there is no "social" factor that explains so much of why one city has more violence than another, as race does.
Liberals "need" their poverty-is-the-chief-cause-of-crime theory because it justifies the increases in Affirmative Action and social welfare benefits that they want to enact into law. If the truth about the "poverty hypothesis" becomes generally well known, they won't be able to get their subversive wealth-redistribution legislation passed.
Racial differences should have been the FIRST cause examined as a possible cause of disparities in the rate of violent crimes. It would have probably held up to close scrutiny all these years, as "Blacks are more violent than Whites" is as good a stereotype as "Nordics are taller than Pygmies" is (i.e., true in far more cases than not).
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', '.')..hell, if the former is owned by "liberals" i guess "conservatives" are just showing their true colors and claiming the latter.... it's alright, we always knew you were a pack of racists, no matter how often you trot out Alan Keyes.
Don't you mean Charles Darwin? That's the sort of man we usually point to. We need no commerce with economists when natural scientists stand in our favor.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', 'M')y purpose was to question the assumption that economic collapse will demand a sudden run up in personal security and that neighbor on neighbor crime, street crime, etc. will skyrocket.
Certainly, this will happen to some extent. There IS, after all, a weak correlation between poverty and crime. At some point, necessity will trigger a breakdown in the social order. However...
The racial trigger will come first. Before starvation pits White neighbors against each other, mere discomfort will prompt Blacks into organized genocidal attacks on Whites. In addition to their somewhat more savage natural behavior, the past forty years has convinced Blacks that they can get away with organized riots with little or no retribution. Cincinnati, Toledo, New Orleans, Los Angeles, and lots of other cities have had Black riots followed by official expressions of obsequious "understanding" and the transfer of large sums of loot (mostly taxes paid by White citizens) for replacing what the Blacks destroyed, in their own neighborhoods as well as elsewhere, and then giving them even more in the hope of buying from them peaceful behavior, at least for a while.
Minorities can be expected to repeat in the future a habit that has paid them in the past. Riots that should have been suppressed by National Guard infantry and the public execution of the riot's ringleaders were instead allowed to rage until the rioters' energies were spent, at the cost of many millions of dollars and thousands of innocent victims, and then the rioters were paid for their labors and were even thanked for pointing out "social injustice" or whatever. They'll figure that since it has worked before, it'll work again.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', 'I') think this is relevant especially for those of us who live in an urban environment and are trying to make preparations to whatever degree possible.
Yes, indeed.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', 'T')o the degree that we spend our time barricading our houses for the coming chaos and so avoid reaching out to our neighbors, we stunt our success. As VMarchart said, "What will happen here? Don't Know." But on this board we seem to think we know a whole lot about the future. And in most of those scenarios, there's a serious booga-booga element of rampant violent street crime... it ain't necessarily so.
Well, as Patrick Henry said, the best way to judge the future is by the past. The weatherman does it too, you know. Anyway, you've the right to bet your life as you see fit. Good luck.
Jerry Abbott
