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David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby killJOY » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 22:00:56

I watched about fifty minutes of this.

It is a big crock of SHIT.

Almost as bad as Christianity.
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby Minvaren » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 00:30:14

You have to admire the concurrent simplicity and complexity of "The Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory." Icke is a good speaker and researcher, if nothing else.
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby outcast » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 05:49:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'I')sn't Ickle the guy who thinks the world is ruled by reptillians who take on human form and plan to use humans as slave labour in their secret mining facilities under Denver airport?


Yes, he is. Fact is he was on Penn&Teller Bullshit about that. He used to be a well respected soccer player in Britain, but then something happened (from wikipedia):

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n his online autobiography, Icke writes that, in March 1990, while he was a national spokesperson for the Green Party, he received a message from the spirit world through a medium,[13] (video) identified by The Guardian as Betty Shine, a medium from Brighton.[14] She told him he was a healer who had been chosen for his courage and sent to heal the earth, and that he had been directed into football to learn discipline. He was going to leave politics and would become famous, she said, writing five books in three years, and one day there would be a great earthquake, and the "sea will reclaim land," because human beings were abusing the earth.

When Icke told the Green Party leadership what he had experienced, he was banned from speaking at public meetings on their behalf.[12] In 1991, after a trip to Peru, he wrote Truth Vibrations, an autobiographical work which summarized his life experiences up to that point, with an emphasis on his recent spiritual encounters. He began to wear only turquoise and on March 27, 1991, held a press conference to announce: "I am a channel for the Christ spirit. The title was given to me very recently by the Godhead."[15]

In an interview on the Terry Wogan show that year, he announced that he was "the son of God,"[13] and that Britain would be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes. His statements were met with laughter and ridicule from the studio audience, derision in the press, and suggestions that he was mentally ill. Icke later said that he had been misinterpreted by the media. According to Icke, he used the term "the son of God" "... in the sense of being an aspect, as I understood it at the time, of the Infinite consciousness that is everything. As I have written before, we are like droplets of water in an ocean of infinite consciousness."[16]


Basically he was laughed out of Britain. After that it was all repitlian this and conspiracy that.
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 10:32:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'I') watched about fifty minutes of this. It is a big crock of crap. Almost as bad as Christianity.

He doesn't really get started until 50 minutes in. Before that is introductory banter as he's doing a 7 hour presentation and many of these people have heard him before. Anyway, skip the first 50 minutes if you want to get straight to the meat of the presentation.
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 10:36:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'p').s. part II is better than part I. part III tonight... :wink:

Agree, part 2 and 3 are the best. :)
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 10:47:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'Y')es, he is. Fact is he was on Penn&Teller Bullshit about that. He used to be a well respected soccer player in Britain, but then something happened (from wikipedia):
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n his online autobiography, Icke writes that, in March 1990, while he was a national spokesperson for the Green Party, he received a message from the spirit world through a medium,[13] (video) identified by The Guardian as Betty Shine, a medium from Brighton.[14] She told him he was a healer who had been chosen for his courage and sent to heal the earth, and that he had been directed into football to learn discipline. He was going to leave politics and would become famous, she said, writing five books in three years, and one day there would be a great earthquake, and the "sea will reclaim land," because human beings were abusing the earth.
When Icke told the Green Party leadership what he had experienced, he was banned from speaking at public meetings on their behalf.[12] In 1991, after a trip to Peru, he wrote Truth Vibrations, an autobiographical work which summarized his life experiences up to that point, with an emphasis on his recent spiritual encounters. He began to wear only turquoise and on March 27, 1991, held a press conference to announce: "I am a channel for the Christ spirit. The title was given to me very recently by the Godhead."[15]

In an interview on the Terry Wogan show that year, he announced that he was "the son of God,"[13] and that Britain would be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes. His statements were met with laughter and ridicule from the studio audience, derision in the press, and suggestions that he was mentally ill. Icke later said that he had been misinterpreted by the media. According to Icke, he used the term "the son of God" "... in the sense of being an aspect, as I understood it at the time, of the Infinite consciousness that is everything. As I have written before, we are like droplets of water in an ocean of infinite consciousness."[16]
Basically he was laughed out of Britain. After that it was all repitlian this and conspiracy that.
Yes Wikipedia, the grand source of truth. :roll:
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 10:51:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'D')oes he mention the Vatican and Mi5 along with the Royal Family? Are the Great Danes and the Swiss involved? Any of the above...all of the above? 8) I know the Germans are involved somehow... i.e. Holy Roman Empire
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 10:51:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'T')he only way to be saved is through the shed blood of the holy and perfect Saviour, Jesus Christ, who died for our sins.He is the true Messiah and Saviour of the world.

Alex, I can respect your opinion but I'm very strong in my belief that religion is a scam.
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 10:54:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')oes he mention the Vatican and Mi5 along with the Royal Family? Are the Great Danes and the Swiss involved? Any of the above...all of the above? 8) I know the Germans are involved somehow...i.e. Holy Roman Empire
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Yes. Not sure what great danes have to do with it though.
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby buddylee » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 14:10:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'T')he only way to be saved is through the shed blood of the holy and perfect Saviour, Jesus Christ, who died for our sins. He is the true Messiah and Saviour of the world.
Alex, I can respect your opinion but I'm very strong in my belief that religion is a scam.

I believe organized religion is a scam also, but that doesn't mean that the Bible isn't full of truths necessarily.
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby basil_hayden » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 14:44:09

On a sidenote, it looks like Raph has some competition; californydreamin is off the lithium.
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby keehah » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 14:57:52

Ignorance and ridiculing the messenger will not protect you.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')) they talk about lizards


Political Ponerology
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')magine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken. And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools.

...They can imitate feelings, but the only real feelings they seem to have: is a sort of 'predatorial hunger' for what they want. All else - all activity - is subsumed to this drive. In short, the psychopath is a predator. If we think about the interactions of predators with their prey in the animal kingdom, we can come to some idea of what is behind the "mask of sanity" of the psychopath.

This leads us to an important question: what does the psychopath really get from their victims? It's easy to see what they are after when they lie and manipulate for money or material goods or power. But in many instances we can only say that it seems to be that the psychopath enjoys making others suffer.


Snakes in Suits
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')are does not think that psychopathy is caused by brain damage. Instead, he says, "there are anomalies in the way psychopaths process information. It may be more general than just emotional information. In another functional MRI study, we looked at the parts of the brain that are used to process concrete and abstract words. Non-psychopathic individuals showed increased activation of the right anterior/superior temporal cortex. For the psychopaths, that didn't happen."

Hare and his colleagues then conducted an fMRI study using pictures of neutral scenes and unpleasant homicide scenes. "Non-psychopathic offenders show lots of activation in the amygdala [to unpleasant scenes], compared with neutral pictures," he points out. "In the psychopath, there was nothing. No difference. But there was overactivation in the same regions of the brain that were overactive during the presentation of emotional words. It's like they're analyzing emotional material in extra-limbic regions."

..."We take the view that under the right circumstances, it's possible to modify the antisocial behaviors of anybody, although for psychopaths the task will be more difficult than for other offenders. Our philosophy, based on a lot of data, is that we are not going to target some of the core psychopathic features, such as lack of capacity for empathy, grandiosity, egocentricity, or shallow emotions. We think these features are fairly stable.


I'll also add that a corporation's status as a legal "person" is really about legal "lizards" as well.
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby basil_hayden » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 15:21:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('keehah', 'I')gnorance and ridiculing the messenger will not protect you.
Sure it will! :-) After that, maybe you can provide a list of entities that will protect me...if they're so effing illuminated, WHY ARE THEY STILL HERE?
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 17:28:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'O')n a sidenote, it looks like golem has some competition; californydreamin is off the lithium.

Is this thread a piece of work, or what? Like moths to a flame. I'm tellin' ya, we need a tinfoil hat forum.
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby Last_Laff » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 17:37:00

LOL
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby POAlex » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 17:37:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'A')lex, I can respect your opinion but I'm very strong in my belief that religion is a scam.

Well, actually there's some truth to what you're saying but let me make a clear and distinct difference. There are all kinds of religions in the world but most have one thing in common - man trying to earn his salvation through doing good works or religious rituals. For example, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism etc. Even David Icke is promoting the New Age Religion of man's godhood or "self".

Whereas, the message of the Bible is very different. We are all sinners who are separated from our holy and perfect God. On our own, we will face God's wrath if we die in our sins, so we all need a Saviour. God provided that Saviour in Jesus Christ, who lived a sinless life, suffered, died in our place and rose from the dead three days later. He is God in the flesh and He bore the sins of the world. Through Jesus and what He has already done on the cross, we can have a restored relationship with God.

Salvation in the Bible is a free gift of God's unmerited grace, not our own works. Its very, very different. The mistake here is David Icke is not only rejecting various religions, which he should, but rather he is rejecting the person of Jesus Christ and the atoning sacrifice He made for us. All the while he is promoting the very Antichrist sytem the Bible has prophesized will rise before the return of Jesus Christ.
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby TheDude » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 20:33:17

Somebody once pointed out an an obvious flaw in Icke's theories about lizards, which are otherwise beyond refute: how does a 7 foot tall lizard fit into a little Dick Cheney costume? :cry:
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 25 Jun 2008, 21:54:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'S')omebody once pointed out an an obvious flaw in Icke's theories about lizards, which are otherwise beyond refute: how does a 7 foot tall lizard fit into a little Dick Cheney costume? :cry:

Fast forward to 6 minutes in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH0yzgAMf5g
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby buzzard » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 12:12:44

I'm always impressed by the knowledgeable critiques by those those Einsteins who never watch the video. For deriving the truth the sequence is: First, reading/watching the information; Second, analysis and critique. When the critique comes first, the credibility of that critique understandably suffers. Those who routinely hitch cart before horse end up floundering in the ditch of reality.

David Icke counsels us to take what we will from his talks and leave the rest. Good advice.

Those who profess unwavering certainty often languish forever in ignorance.
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Re: David Icke: One of the Best Presentations I've Ever Seen

Unread postby Homesteader » Thu 26 Jun 2008, 12:18:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('buzzard', 'I')'m always impressed by the knowledgeable critiques by those those Einsteins who never watch the video. For deriving the truth the sequence is: First, reading/watching the information; Second, analysis and critique. When the critique comes first, the credibility of that critique understandably suffers. Those who routinely hitch cart before horse end up floundering in the ditch of reality.
David Icke counsels us to take what we will from his talks and leave the rest. Good advise.
Those who profess unwavering certainty often languish forever in ignorance.

+1. I came across "And the Truth Shall Set You Free 10 years ago. Did I swallow all of it? Heck no. Was a lot of it hard to deny? Yes. Made me so depressed I stayed on the couch for three days pondering my toes.

Came to the conclusion that knowing about stuff that had always been wasn't going to make my life much different so I'd better get on with it. Life has been pretty good since then, all things considered.
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