[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'T')hey've been told the Bible is not important.

[POAlex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', ' ')God will hold you in greater esteem for trying to take care of the Earth you're living on, which is part of the solution to the crisis we face.

[Ludi]

http://www.creationcare.org/

[TheDude]

My hope is that Christians (and members of other sects for that matter) fervently take up the task of maintaining "advanced" civilization, by which I mean simply societies who don't condone the activities of men like Vlad or Basil II, who committed unspeakable atrocities in the defense of their faith. To be sure secular rulers have committed similar evils; we should attempt to cure society of this need for sanguinary deeds in general if possible, which prosperity seems as sure a fix as any that have been implemented.

To place your faith in an inevitable destruction and attendant metaphysical salvation won't cut it for most of us; and why not try to salvage this world to better prepare for one beyond? What nobler task could you take up?

I wouldn't judge the ethics of those involved in trying to stabilize society by what you read here about enforced population reduction. Read Richard Heinberg's books for a more balanced assessment and path for simplifying or powering down.

Thanks for that link, Ludi. More people should be aware of the Bible's respect for creation.

[Rogozhin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')mong other things, it occurred to me that by that reasoning I should become a fascist dictator.

[futuretrip]

I almost feel like giving up after reading some of the (wonderful) truth here.

This is why people like me like this forum, it gives us hope through that ugly truth since we are actually collaborating about it.

We should be at WAR with energy deprivation...
We need to recognize and defeat the many appendages. They include outdated laws, retro enviro's and it seems, an organized lack of awareness.

We need to turn our wasted dollars into a massive Renewable Energy Infrastructure! We have no other choice!

We must carry on the dream, the excitement, the spirit of what we were raised on, to enjoy life, nature, (and yes, our childrens future). RE is just now starting to prove itself as a utility scale medium!

Thus the reason for my optimism yet post oil crisis is the reason for my urgency


fireofenergy
Freedom is based upon energy

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') was phobic (literally) of tornadoes from the time I was a little girl. So later on I became a tornado chaser and got a meteorology degree.

[culicomorpha]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')This doomer shit is the best. It is like a comic book or science fiction movie. We (maybe just some of us) are programmed to enjoy catastrophe. Have you ever wondered why lots of people rubberneck at car accidents? The same reason people watch the news. I am not a sadist and I don't like killing but I do like excitement.

Have you spent much time in the woods? Jays, crows, chickadees, and squirrels seem to enjoy chaos. They arrive at noise and make noise themselves.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '
')
They've been told mother earth is more important than their eternal soul.

[stepka]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s for the OP, I think the reason I have not given up is because I actually think my life will be dramatically better post-peak. I have just about had it with the so-called technological wonders of modern society and will be very happy to see much of it go away.

I am especially looking forward to the thunderous silence of vehicle after vehicle sitting, rusting, to make no sound ever again. Ah, I almost get giddy just thinking about the beautiful silences to come in the near future...

[Dan_Browne]

I think I am a doom addict.

I get myself calm over a period of months with "this time I'm not going to go back to the oildrum or some other peak oil site but I always go back.

Then I read some smartass's post who posts a logically argued piece with facts and numbers about how we are all toast.

I get an instant fear hormone bath flooding my system.
So I get the junkie hit.

From then on in I am in doomer mode until I can find the willpower to ignore the bad and focus on the happy fluffy stuff.

[hubbertspeak7777777]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hy keep posting about how doomed we are and how hopeless it all is? Is it that much fun for you?

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Johnvancouver', 'I') don’t really feel doomed or hopeless. People who mistaken our wasteful and ignorant way of life as the only way to live are more likely to feel doomed and hopeless. To some of us, PO is also an opportunity to bring back the simpler way of life and reestablish a balance between man and nature. I think we can manage the transition if we learn to live on less and not trying to grab what we can at other people's expense.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('culicomorpha', '(')...)
As for the OP, I think the reason I have not given up is because I actually think my life will be dramatically better post-peak. I have just about had it with the so-called technological wonders of modern society and will be very happy to see much of it go away.

I am especially looking forward to the thunderous silence of vehicle after vehicle sitting, rusting, to make no sound ever again. Ah, I almost get giddy just thinking about the beautiful silences to come in the near future...

[joelcolorado]

Give up to WHAT? That is stupid. Then only way out of here is death itself and most ppl are chickens.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joelcolorado', 'G')ive up to WHAT? That is stupid. Then only way out of here is death itself and most ppl are chickens.

[mystiek]

Doomed and hopeless is a relative concept. To some folks who are very oil addicted and live a very plastic, false life, who has never had to really struggle the probable coming change in life style is going to feel very hopeless. To my amish buddies, I doubt they will notice anything other than shorter lines when they go to Walmart and less vehicles running their horse and buggys off the road. For me, as a Christian, I believe God wants me to be prepared not scared. Psalm 37: 25-"I have been young and now I am old, yet I have not seen the righteous foresaken or his descendants begging bread." (Ludi, I'm so sorry to hear about your babies!)

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stepka', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s for the OP, I think the reason I have not given up is because I actually think my life will be dramatically better post-peak. I have just about had it with the so-called technological wonders of modern society and will be very happy to see much of it go away.

I am especially looking forward to the thunderous silence of vehicle after vehicle sitting, rusting, to make no sound ever again. Ah, I almost get giddy just thinking about the beautiful silences to come in the near future...

[hope_full]

I'm a student of history and a fan of history and I have written more than a few articles about the early years of the 20th Century (which was a fascinating time). And my parents were teenagers in the first years of the Great Depression. I know that we can survive tough times, as long as we're careful and prudent and don't panic. Most importantly, we need to pay extra close attention to our history so we can figure out what's coming next.

As to giving up, I will never, ever, never give up. It is my whole-hearted intention to survive whatever comes next and eventually become one of those wizened and withered old people who shares my stories with the young 'uns who have no idea "how things used to be."

And I am hopeful that there will be many blessings amidst these hard times. One of the most popular shows of the turbulent 1970s was The Waltons, which told the story of a Depression-era family who lived a hard-scrabble but happy and simple existence. I think the folks at this website have a "knowing" that this current American lifestyle isn't healthy or right or whole or good, and that things MUST change. Change doesn't come easily - usually.

As Shakespeare said, "Sweet are the uses of adversity, which like a toad, ugly and venemous, wears yet a precious jewel in his head."

[mystiek]

Hopefull-there definitely will be blessing amidst the change, the Waltons was a really neat show, but of course its still Hollywood...Alot of folks on this forum will have developed the proper mindset to adapt accordingly, what I dread are the people around me who have a haughty, I'm better and wealthier, etc attitude (spoiled)-these people will not adapt as well. We are a very spoiled nation, as a physician, I dread it when shortages occur and these people scream and stomp their feet because they want something now and it is not available. That is another reason I told my husband when we buy our farm I want to grow Jatropha (smiley face-I haven't been able to get one on my post yet so I will just type the words!) and raise the chickens that lay the light green eggs.