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The Unfortunate Incident Protocol

Postby maverickdoc » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 16:32:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')size=150] The Unfortunate Incident Protocol [/size]
How the powerful dodge their own bullets by Dr. Teresa Whitehurst

"A little girl running in fear from armed men is killed in cold blood. … The authorities are trying their best to come up with a reason why this schoolgirl was shot so many times after she was dead – because that's the unusual part. But in no way will the Israeli government, nor the U.S. government, decry the fact that Palestinian civilians like her are being shot on such a regular basis. Instead, they will decry Palestinian terrorism again (unnecessary because we despise terrorism already, but it's a good tactic for diverting our attention) and remind us that soldiers have a right to protect themselves.

"If that doesn't do the trick, they'll bring out the ultimate weapon: 'There are always a few bad apples, and they will be punished.'" - "Palestinian Girl, Interrupted"

While so many journalists have been killed by the U.S. military that some have wondered aloud (and lived to regret it) if media personnel might actually be targeted to dissuade independent reporting on Mr. Bush's wars, it's nonetheless unusual for a just-freed journalist, held hostage for a month, to be shot, along with her rescuer, by U.S. troops.

Pro-Bush/pro-war Americans are quick to defend "our troops," even when families are slaughtered and children are orphaned at brutal checkpoints. But the Italians, a people more in possession of their faculties than the radical "conservatives" dominating this morally challenged nation of ours, are less sanguine, perhaps because they're not in the habit of defending cold-blooded murder.

In yet another tragic blunder, revealing to any sentient human being what the U.S. military machine has come to represent for people across the world, "our troops" – no doubt following immoral but quite legal rules of engagement – shot first and asked questions later. Left dead was brave secret service agent Nicola Calipari, who had rescued journalist Giuliana Sgrena. Reuters reports:

"The shooting in Iraq on Friday, as the reporter was being whisked to freedom after being held hostage for a month, was sure to fuel antiwar activists in Italy and put pressure on Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi."

Pressure on Berlusconi? No way! He's a pal of GWB, so not to worry. As I've noted before, the Bush administration, like the Blair establishment and the Israeli government, has turned the "bad apples" excuse for rotten deeds into an art form. To save everyone the time and trouble (not to mention the emotional ups and downs) of following this saga from its tragic beginning to its predictable end, allow me to fast-forward the events of the coming days, weeks, and months.

Damage Control: UIP to the Rescue
Here's what I've determined, from observing the same scenario numerous times, to be an "Unfortunate Incident Protocol" (UIP) , used by both the U.S. and Israeli governments whenever news of our own evildoing gets out:

1. A tragedy occurs: "Our troops" have killed more innocent people, only this time the victims aren't Arabs/Muslims (in neocon-speak, the "evildoers"), thus the potential for public uproar and backlash exists.
2. Code Blue! Any signs of uproar or backlash must be attacked preemptively. Immediate public appearances are required by Mr. Bush and the leader of the victim's home country: Talk extensively about the event, how you're praying for the families, and so on.
1. Stress your "regret" for this "unfortunate incident."
2. Immediately announce "an independent investigation."
3. If the natives are getting restless, make statements or decisions to illustrate that this time you're really taking the incident seriously.
4. Displays of outrage or of "demanding explanations" from the offending nation may be necessary if protests are developing; this is the only situation wherein a coalition partner is not required to present a united front with the Bush administration.
5. Announce again "the investigation," but add that this time the investigation will be really thorough, leaving no stone unturned, and will not end up whitewashing guilt at all higher levels of authority.
6. Emphasize that both leaders are in full agreement now, that you're both torn up about it, and that neither is catering to the wishes of the other.
3. ASAP, tell your State-influenced newspapers to allot only one or two days to the outrageous nature of the incident. ....<snip>

http://www.antiwar.com/whitehurst/?articleid=5096

See any resemblance to abu garib. the Giuliana Sgrena story?
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Postby stu » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 16:49:51

:lol:

Excellent.

Nice one Maverick.
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Postby Geology_Guy » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 17:10:08

So do you blame Bush for the shooting of the Italian journalist or the troops involved or both?

Should the troops involved be tried for murder or were they just following orders from Bush? If Bush is responsible meaning he gave orders to US troops to assasinate the reporter as she claims then maybe we should impeach the president?

Or maybe the troops just had orders to shoot at all cars? Or maybe the troops were put in an impossible situation and felt they had to shoot at all cars?

How did the troops know which car she was in if they did not have orders from above?
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Postby Liamj » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 18:07:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Geology_Guy', 'S')o do you blame Bush for the shooting of the Italian journalist or the troops involved or both? ...
How did the troops know which car she was in if they did not have orders from above?

Why are you asking us/maverick all these questions when none of us were there and very little info has been published?

Perhaps you are trying to escape/deny the pain & confusion in your own mind by firing back so many unanswerable questions. It is always painful, at first, to shed a fondly held illusion. :(
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Postby Geology_Guy » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 18:19:12

I was asking those questions because they are ALL over the news today and since the incident is posted on this website I want opinions from readers of this website. I now have them-thanks.

You want my opinion? The troops did not target the Italian reporter and there is no cover up. The troops were probably doing their job and the Italians just failed to stop at the checkpoint.

Bad things happen in all wars, but that does not make the wars unjust. Remember Clinton bombing the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade-we did save some Kosovors in that case (Clinton did forget to get UN approval for that war).
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Postby maverickdoc » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 18:39:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Geology_Guy', 'I') was asking those questions because they are ALL over the news today and since the incident is posted on this website I want opinions from readers of this website. I now have them-thanks.

You want my opinion? The troops did not target the Italian reporter and there is no cover up. The troops were probably doing their job and the Italians just failed to stop at the checkpoint.


Hey Geo Guy, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I am assuming you are talking about my Chemical Weapons Used at Fallujah & Giuliana Sgrena post ( http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic5576.html )

Well I never said she was targeted. She did. Also I think there are a lot of things that are happening that makes you wonder if you should just believe the administrations version of the story. I mean lets face it their track record is not that great. This piece by Dr. Teresa Whitehurst does have its merits; it played out just according to the script in Abu graib. So far the Giuliana Sgrena story is playing out just like that too. It is also curious that she was investigation something the US govt. Rather we not know. You draw your conclusion and I will draw mine :-D
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Postby Geology_Guy » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 18:54:46

Cool Maverick. I agree to disagree. Governments of all stripes are fishy things.
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Postby bart » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 19:09:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Geology_Guy', 'Y')ou want my opinion? The troops did not target the Italian reporter and there is no cover up. The troops were probably doing their job and the Italians just failed to stop at the checkpoint.

    There was no torture in Abu Ghraib.
    Saddam had WMDs.
    Bush's proposals will fix the social security problem.
    No one in the White House leaked the information that Valerie Plume was a CIA agent.
    The recent purge of the CIA had nothing to do with politics.
    WAR IS PEACE
    FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
    IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
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Postby maverickdoc » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 19:35:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', '[')list]There was no torture in Abu Ghraib.
Saddam had WMDs.
Bush's proposals will fix the social security problem.
No one in the White House leaked the information that Valerie Plume was a CIA agent.
The recent purge of the CIA had nothing to do with politics.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Hey bart let it go. People believe what they believe. You can't convince O'reille or Rush, all you can do it put out your opinion and back it up with facts. Let the chips fall where it may.At least geo guy bothers to read, which is better than 99.99% of Americans. So I greatly respect his opinion, because it is informed. Also Americans unless they really try they will not get the truth on TV or papers. Just belt feed propaganda.
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Postby Jack » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 20:18:38

Well, this is all very nice...but...

First of all, if I were on that dangerous road and a car approached after curfew...and didn't stop...the barrel on my machinegun would glow cherry red in short order. Which is hard with the standard issue 100 round belts...fortunately, you can link about 30 of them together. 8)

As to the other points, if one is going to fight a war, one uses all available means. That includes managing information, as well as the more physical aspects.

Please understand that my chief disagreement with the Iraq war is that the U.S. has been entirely too fastidious. If one wishes to win, one neutralizes their opponents.
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Postby bart » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 20:26:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t least geo guy bothers to read, which is better than 99.99% of Americans. So I greatly respect his opinion

Talk about damning with faint praise (LOL)!

I've read some of geo guy's other posts, and I don't think this is up to his usual. It's not really an opinion on his part as much as an immediate reaction, a wish to believe the best in a damning situation.

I've got to say I sympathize with him though. As an American, it's painful to have to see what our country has been doing. But if one is an intellectual (and I guess that means if one is part of the .01% of Americans who reads), then we've got a responsibility to dig deeper.

For what it's worth, I don't necessarily believe in a conspiracy. For one thing, the incident is provoking interational outrage and may bring down Berlusconi, surely not a desirable outcome for Bush. On the other hand, the administration is famous for ruthless dramatic moves, with no thought for the diplomatic ramifications. Or it may be FUBAR. Or loose cannons. Who knows?

Problem is, nobody outside the US is going to believe the US or an US investigation, given the past record.
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Postby maverickdoc » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 20:47:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t least geo guy bothers to read, which is better than 99.99% of Americans. So I greatly respect his opinion

Talk about damning with faint praise (LOL)!

Alright Bart maybe I was a bit harsh. Sorry.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', 'I')'ve read some of geo guy's other posts, and I don't think this is up to his usual. It's not really an opinion on his part as much as an immediate reaction, a wish to believe the best in a damning situation.

OK. Believe what you wish. Wait didn't you say:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', 'T')here was no torture in Abu Ghraib.
Saddam had WMDs.
Bush's proposals will fix the social security problem.
No one in the White House leaked the information that Valerie Plume was a CIA agent.
The recent purge of the CIA had nothing to do with politics.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', 'I')'ve got to say I sympathize with him though. As an American, it's painful to have to see what our country has been doing. But if one is an intellectual (and I guess that means if one is part of the .01% of Americans who reads), then we've got a responsibility to dig deeper.
I ok again sorry. Maybe I should I have said 99.99% of American are too content getting there news from TV, radio, and mainstream news which may not always be 100% accurate. But always fair and balance right? ;)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', 'F')or what it's worth, I don't necessarily believe in a conspiracy. For one thing, the incident is provoking interational outrage and may bring down Berlusconi, surely not a desirable outcome for Bush. On the other hand, the administration is famous for ruthless dramatic moves, with no thought for the diplomatic ramifications. Or it may be FUBAR. Or loose cannons. Who knows?
Maybe an unintended blow back? Botched operation? Who knows it could have just been an honest mistake.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', 'P')roblem is, nobody outside the US is going to believe the US or an US investigation, given the past record.
What? Why, oh the:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', 'T')here was no torture in Abu Ghraib.
Saddam had WMDs.
Bush's proposals will fix the social security problem.
No one in the White House leaked the information that Valerie Plume was a CIA agent.
The recent purge of the CIA had nothing to do with politics.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Thing right I got you
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Postby Geology_Guy » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 20:53:04

Bart,

Thanks for the nice words. I will accept faint praise :). I am a conservative, but I try to listen to all sides. I try to never take any position at face value. I will listen to everyones point of view.

I do try to provoke discussion :). Too many people lives their lives with out thinking.
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Postby maverickdoc » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 20:57:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'W')ell, this is all very nice...but...

First of all, if I were on that dangerous road and a car approached after curfew...and didn't stop...the barrel on my machinegun would glow cherry red in short order. Which is hard with the standard issue 100 round belts...fortunately, you can link about 30 of them together. 8)


Dam right! They should have let loose some tank rounds on them

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '
')As to the other points, if one is going to fight a war, one uses all available means. That includes managing information, as well as the more physical aspects.


Right like use chemical weapon in falluja? Sure and killing reporters, which will manage information alright. Unless it is botched

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '
')Please understand that my chief disagreement with the Iraq war is that the U.S. has been entirely too fastidious. If one wishes to win, one neutralizes their opponents.


Sure why stop with chemical weapons, use nukes. I heard that neutralizes, pretty well.
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Postby Jack » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 21:09:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', '
')Sure why stop with chemical weapons, use nukes. I heard that neutralizes, pretty well.


Heavens to Betsy, no! That makes a mess of the assets. I much prefer I-131...for clearing up those pesky infestions. 8)

But seriously, MaverickDoc - what would YOU do if a vehicle approached, ignored your warnings, and would not stop? Especially in a venue where lots of suicide bombers are active?

Doing nothing is tantamount to suicide.

Anyway, using tank rounds is a real dilemma. Does one use a HEAP round? Or would it be better to use beehive? I guess I'd be tempted to use one of those cast cement ones the Israelis used to fire...cheap, and quite effective with minimal collateral damage. 8)
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Postby TrueKaiser » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 21:20:35

i don't think it takes that must effort to prove the united states guilt. she was already(before being captured by the resistance in iraq) poking around areas the army and the united states government did not want her to. so she probably saw something they didn't want her to see. and they didn't want that info out.
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Postby maverickdoc » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 21:32:34

Sorry Jack I am in a very combative mode right now :-x . Watching too much fox news. How can you conservatives tolerate that nonsense?

According to the journalist they were not speeding, they did not ignore warnings (because there was none). It certainly will not be the first time the US forces killed a journalist in Iraq.

What exactly do you find too fastidious about how Iraq is being handled?
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Postby Liamj » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 21:52:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Geology_Guy', '
')You want my opinion? The troops did not target the Italian reporter and there is no cover up. The troops were probably doing their job and the Italians just failed to stop at the checkpoint.


Hate to piss on all the yanks-that-can-read self congratulation, but i say again, ALL reports are GSs car was nowhere NEAR a checkpoint, it had passed them all, was 700m from airport, and was fired on by a machinegun on a tank, without warning. So save the 'poor confused soldiers on a checkpoint' bullshit for FoxNews exclusives.

As to chickenhawk Jack, do you need contributions towards your airfare over, so you can show us how its done? Or is genocide by remote close enough for you, as for George jnr, Cheney, Rush, etc?

And they call the 911 hijackers gutless!
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Postby TrueKaiser » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 22:36:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd they call the 911 hijackers gutless!


heh, i think it would take alot of guts to do what they did, thats of course if the offical version of the story is true as they say it is.
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Postby Jack » Mon 07 Mar 2005, 23:41:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', 'S')orry Jack I am in a very combative mode right now :-x . Watching too much fox news. How can you conservatives tolerate that nonsense?


Watching Fox becomes painfully tedious rather quickly, doesn't it?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', 'A')ccording to the journalist they were not speeding, they did not ignore warnings (because there was none). It certainly will not be the first time the US forces killed a journalist in Iraq.


Right. Rather a substantial difference in stories, isn't it? If one believes the journalist, it sounds like cold blooded murder. If one believes the troops, it sounds like self-defense. Of such differences, angry exchanges are made. I doubt we'll ever know the objective truth; one side is lying, but who?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', 'W')hat exactly do you find too fastidious about how Iraq is being handled?


Let's put it this way...many decades ago, I took a couple years of college ROTC. The military cadre thought I was way too warlike. 8)

Recall Fallujah? Do you remember how we said we'd do this, that, and the other after the four contractors were killed, and then delayed, hemmed, and hawed? I believe we should have annhilated it with aerial bombardment using non-precision munitions. Other resistance would meet with similar measures.
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