[Bman4k1]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories

Basically it will be by law revunue neutral meaning the money earned from the carbon tax will be with an equal income tax cut, and will be analyised every year to make sure of it. It WILL NOT be added to car fuels but on every other carbon. It will be $40 a tonne.

I think it is a ballsy move and they want to make this the ballot question meaning they will bring down the government in september.

I think it is a good idea. To force people, mostly companies to realize how much crap they are putting up in the sky and if they reduce it turns into a tax cut.

Most people we need to put a price on crabon, and here it is. We'll see how prepared the Canadian people are.

[Dreamtwister]

I called it! Way back in 2006, even!

Bask in my prognostication!

[Bman4k1]

Not Bad, not bad. I personally voted for Ignatief, but he got a rush of anybody but him at the convention. And he was actually proposing a carbon tax about the same as this new one. If you look at that trendlines website, Dion was well on his way to a minority before this anyways. The green party is probably going to suport this and therefore as you said in your blog, the liberals will probably win.

[cowuvula]

Maybe they should just get it over with and have an AIR tax (The oxidizer portion of CO2)

Everyone has to breath, why not start an air tax on diesel motors, progress it to gasoline progress it to ethanol and fiannly inculde people

nothing they can do about it, pay to breathe or get fined.

problem is you have to be able to keep track of everyones position status, and real world breathing,,,,

I got it... easy, just

[cowuvula]

I propose a tax on politicians and millionaires.

Anyone that has over 100 dollars in the bank account and is not working gets taxed 25 % a year.

[ClassicSpiderman]

I would never, ever vote for Liberal (or LIE-beral). Although I disagree strongly with the global warming theory, at least Stephane Dion presents his platform honestly for all to see. I almost feel sorry for him--he will surely be trounced in the next election and then the party hacks will snuff him out so that their corporate stooge and neo-con Ignatieff can be in charge. I don't feel too sorry for him, however. I recall his party's vicious character assassination of Stockwell Day ("the only time dinosaurs and humans have coexisted was on Barney the Dinosaur"--I personally don't believe in creationism but someone's religious beliefs shouldn't DISQUALIFY them from public office).

Dion is stopping short of proposing additional taxes on gasoline--a concept I'm not opposed to in principle provided that the extra revenues could be used to improve mass rail transit which would in turn reduce pollution and the cost of maintaining roads and highways.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', 'I') would never, ever vote for Liberal (or LIE-beral).

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', 'I') would never, ever vote for Liberal (or LIE-beral).

[ClassicSpiderman]

From: http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/440240

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ion said he's sure Canadians will be open to the idea behind the carbon tax, once they are able to get beyond the "lies" that the Conservatives are telling. In question period, Ignatieff mocked the animated little blob of oil in the Tory attack ads, asking: "When will the little grease spot start telling the truth?"

[Bman4k1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'O')f course not, you're from Alberta. There's like...4 liberals in the whole province.

[Nicholai]

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2006/10/19/selling-indulgences/

Monbiot puts carbon offsets and carbon trading to rest.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is not the first time that such schemes have been sold. In his book The Rise of the Dutch Republic, published in 1855, John Lothrop Motley describes the means by which the people of the Netherlands in the 15th and 16th centuries could redeem their sins. “The sale of absolutions was the source of large fortunes to the priests. … God’s pardon for crimes already committed, or about to be committed, was advertised according to a graduated tariff. Thus, poisoning, for example, was absolved for eleven ducats, six livres tournois. Absolution for incest was afforded at thirty-six livres, three ducats. Perjury came to seven livres and three carlines. Pardon for murder, if not by poison, was cheaper. Even a parricide could buy forgiveness at God’s tribunal at one ducat; four livres, eight carlines.”(2)

[deMolay]

If you actually read his proposed Green Shaft Scheme it is basic Marxist idea's and has nothing of substance about climate change. Ontario's manufacturing and Quebec will basically be exempt from the carbon taxes. He will not tax at the pump for gasoline either. He will directly go after The New West and Newfoundland and siphon off the money to Ontario and Quebec voters. Read page 26 of his Green Shaft Program.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'I')f you actually read his proposed Green Shaft Scheme it is basic Marxist idea's and has nothing of substance about climate change. Ontario's manufacturing and Quebec will basically be exempt from the carbon taxes. He will not tax at the pump for gasoline either. He will directly go after The New West and Newfoundland and siphon off the money to Ontario and Quebec voters. Read page 26 of his Green Shaft Program.

[Nicholai]

The conservatives and liberals are not going to solve our energy problem or our environmental problem. These people still believe we live in an infinite world that is still waiting to be tamed. Canada should artificially increase the cost of goods through taxation in order to slow consumption and encourage investment in green technology. The marketplace isn't prepared for an oil crash, it can't adjust with depletion figures of 4-6% per year...it's just a fallacy. Norway is the third largest oil exporter in the world and yet have some of the highest oil costs per barrel in the world (around 10$ a gallon since I last checked). Norway is saving like crazy and ensuring it does not create a society dependent on finite resources. This is the way to go.