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THE Guantanamo aka "Gitmo" Thread (merged)

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Is Gitmo the Gulag of our times?

Poll ended at Mon 04 Jul 2005, 07:15:59

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Total votes : 35

Re: Chief Prosecutor: Gitmo nothing but kangaroo court!

Postby Schadenfreude » Sat 23 Feb 2008, 16:29:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')bviously, some people don't want the al Qaida killers who planned 9/11 and murdered 3000 Americans to be put on trial at all.


Yeah, sure... The Chief Prosecuting Officer resigns because he doesn't want to see Al-Quaeda put on trial. Sure... Yeah...
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Re: Chief Prosecutor: Gitmo nothing but kangaroo court!

Postby Plantagenet » Sat 23 Feb 2008, 18:57:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schadenfreude', 'T')he Chief Prosecuting Officer resigns because he doesn't want to see Al-Quaeda put on trial. .


Actually, he very much wanted to see the Al Qaida killers put on trial.

He resigned in October 2007 for a variety of reasons, including his distress at having the Supreme Court start yet another review of the new Congressionally mandated Military Tribunals set up in 2006 to specifically meet the SCOTUS requirements after the SCOTUS threw out the prior military commissions, trashing years of prosecutorial work that he and his colleagues had already done. Your statements that he resigned to protest rigged trials is untrue. Morris wasn't concerned that guilty verdicts were preset...he was concerned that military trials for the al Qaida killers might be derailed or overturned by the SCOTUS.
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Re: Chief Prosecutor: Gitmo nothing but kangaroo court!

Postby Plantagenet » Sat 23 Feb 2008, 19:00:56

"In addition to authorizing military commissions similar to those the Supreme Court overturned the Military Commissions Act of 2006 was intended to close off all the remaining writs of habeas corpus. On June 29, 2007 the Supreme Court agreed to hear outstanding habeas corpus, opening up the possibility that they might overturn some or all of the new Congressional law setting up the 2006 Military Commissions Act.[15]

Davis called the Supreme Court's intention to review the MCA "meddling": [16] Davis said: "This constant uncertainty and meddling certainly takes a toll on people, It would be nice to have some certainty for a change."

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Guantanamo Terror School

Postby Dreamtwister » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 01:04:52

Well lookie here! Apparently, some of those wrongfully detained prisoners were radicalized by their experience in the gulag:

Militants found recruits among Guantanamo's wrongly detained

My favorite part of the whole article is this bit right here:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ohammed maintained that he was a shepherd. Mohammed Roze , an official with the Afghan government's peace commission in Konar province, said Mohammed was set up by a cousin with whom he was feuding.


The war nerd must be absolutely thrilled at his vindication, even if he was talking about a different neighborhood.

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Re: Guantanamo Terror School

Postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 02:44:04

Call me cynical, but I wonder if that wasn't the point all along. The US desperately needs Al Queda. Otherwise they would never be able to justify stationing tens of thousands of soldiers in the Middle East.
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Bin laden firm will build prisons to replace Guantanamo.

Postby eXpat » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 14:55:38

Bin laden firm will build prisons to replace Guantanamo link

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Saudi Arabia prisons to replace Guantanamo bay
Saudi Arabia is to build five modern prisons in the kingdom to replace US Guantanamo detention facility, a new report has revealed.
Jordanian daily quoted unnamed sources as saying that US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Saudi officials are cooperating to construct the prisons which are to replace Guantanamo and US secret prisons in Europe.

Riyadh is to spent about two billion Saudi Rials for the project which can accommodate up to 18000 inmates, they added.

Bin laden firm and with the help of German engineers will build the prisons in the Saudi cities of Mecca, Haer, Demmam, and Qasim.

The US has been under pressure due to violating individual rights in its detention camps in Europe and Guantanamo Bay.

UN human rights investigators have urged the White House to shut down the Guantanamo camp.

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Re: Bin laden firm will build prisons to replace Guantanamo.

Postby Roccland » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 15:04:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'B')in laden firm will build prisons to replace Guantanamo link

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Saudi Arabia prisons to replace Guantanamo bay
Saudi Arabia is to build five modern prisons in the kingdom to replace US Guantanamo detention facility, a new report has revealed.
Jordanian daily quoted unnamed sources as saying that US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Saudi officials are cooperating to construct the prisons which are to replace Guantanamo and US secret prisons in Europe.

Riyadh is to spent about two billion Saudi Rials for the project which can accommodate up to 18000 inmates, they added.

Bin laden firm and with the help of German engineers will build the prisons in the Saudi cities of Mecca, Haer, Demmam, and Qasim.

The US has been under pressure due to violating individual rights in its detention camps in Europe and Guantanamo Bay.

UN human rights investigators have urged the White House to shut down the Guantanamo camp.

And people call me crazy...


Yeah well opium production is up 2000% since Bush recklessly attacked a sovereign Afghanistan...

So the dead and unwanted (by our country) OBL - should have plenty of extra drug money to help Bush fight his global war on terror.
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Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby vaseline2008 » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 19:42:29

Gitmo Confessions

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')owever, that didn't mean they had repented.

"I reaffirm my allegiance to Osama bin Laden," Ramzi Binalshibh blurted out in Arabic at the end of the hearing. "I hope the jihad continues and I hope it hits the heart of America with weapons of mass destruction."


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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby Fishman » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 20:48:05

Gosh, I thought fairies would appear and all the worlds problems would be solved after obama got elected! You mean wahabi islam is still pissed and planning on killing loads of folks? With obama, reid and pelosi as our leaders.................we are so screwed.
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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby misterno » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 21:10:44

who can prove that he is not under mind control by CIA?

Or brainwashed by CIA?

Watch the videos and decide yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4MDCLH683o
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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby TWilliam » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 21:55:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')owever, that didn't mean they had repented.

Of course they haven't 'repented', nor are they likely to. That's the problem with fundamentalists. Unlike conscripts or mercenaries, they are not dissuaded by abuse, torture or even outright execution. Such treatment at the hands of their enemies only serves to strengthen their resolve...
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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby mos6507 » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 21:59:25

I'm sure Amy Goodman, Naomi Klein, and Michael Moore are having a fit over something like this. The idea that we might actually have some bad guys in Gitmo is beyond their comprehension. Not that I think we shouldn't give these guys some form of due process, but in the end, some of these guys are there for a reason.
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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 22:29:29

Hopefully the judge will accept their guilty pleas and sentence these mass murderers to death.
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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby Precipice » Mon 08 Dec 2008, 23:23:23

Killing them is not enough- that's just what they want anyway.

What is needed is a way to destroy their 'souls'. If only it was possible to induce some kind of alzheimers-like condition in their brains, so that they would be helplessly forced to watch their sense of selves (and especially their sense of belief and faith in their silly religion) slip away piece by agonizing piece....leaving them as nothing but empty broken aimless shells of their former selves.

That or they could just be lobotomized.
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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby IanC » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 00:44:18

Too funny. Outfoxed by some sorry jihadists who've been in prison for 7 years.

By the way, Mos, I don't think people ever doubted that everyone in Gitmo was innocent. Instead, it was more the broad sweeps of people, held without trial and the extranational renderings which pissed people off. Me, for one, anyway.

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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 03:35:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Precipice', 'K')illing them is not enough- that's just what they want anyway.

What is needed is a way to destroy their 'souls'.


The Russians wrap the bodies of dead Islamic terrorists in hog carcasses before buying them. The fundamentalist Moslems apparently believe that this imprisons their tortured souls within their dead bodies for all eternity, and keeps them from reaching the Islamic paradise that they seek.

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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby mos6507 » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 10:34:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IanC', '
')I don't think people ever doubted that everyone in Gitmo was innocent.


I disagree. The rhetorical thrust of the anti-Gitmo was to emphasize the wrongly accused and to downplay the idea that anyone in there really does need to be there. Sin of omission.
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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby TommyJefferson » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 10:46:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'R')ussians wrap the bodies of dead Islamic terrorists in hog carcasses before buying them.


Interesting, but I don't believe you, not because I think you are being dishonest, just because this practice sounds too evil to have been missed until now.

I cannot believe that such a golden opportunity to degrade and humiliate one's enemies could have failed to become intensely popular.

Christians will burn to death rather than forsake their god. Soldiers will run into gunfire rather than forsake their "duty" to the state. This hog-burial thing is just too convenient a method of destroying souls. I want to see some Muslim theology showing that it works.
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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 12:11:20

"08:07 Oct-31-02, 25 Cheshvan 5763
Chechen Terrorists to be Buried in Pigskin

According to the Moskovski Komsomol newspaper, Russian security forces have decided to bury the terrorists from last's week's hostage siege wrapped in pig's skin. The aim is to deter potential Islamic terrorists from future attacks.

Shahidi (Jihad martyrs) believe by their nefarious acts that they ascend immediately to heaven. Using their beliefs against them, wrapping their corpses in 'unclean' pigskin prevents them from entering heaven for eternity."

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Re: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion

Postby dinopello » Tue 09 Dec 2008, 12:47:59

The last things these guys want is a fair, public jury trial. They know they will be convicted anyway and the results of their crimes would once again be put on world display along with the demonstration of a (reasonably) thorough and (reasonably) fair US Justice system. They would end up looking like common mass murderers which is not what they want. They want to be the glorious martyrs and they also want the sentence carried out by conviction under the secret tribunal to demonstrate hypocrisy in the American rhetoric.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t was stunning to see today how not only do the defendants comprehend their extensive rights ... they are explicitly asking the court to hurry up because they are bored with the due process they are receiving.
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