$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'L')et's say all these alternative sources do the job of replacing petroleum based energy as petroleum goes into decline.
How do you propose to replace the loss of feedstocks derived from petroleum? Such things as fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, plastics, solvents, synthetic fabrics, pharmaceutical, synthetic rubber...an endless list of products are produced using petroleum for its chemicals. Peak Oil is not just about the energy.
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USA Possibilities to Prolong Peak
Re: USA Possibilities to Prolong Peak
by cipi604 » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 03:45:45
All that stuff can be synthesized from H and CO over various catalysts.
You can make that from coal or nuclear power.
You really need to check the numbers. For business as usual you need stuff in HUGE amounts, and that can't happen even in our most optimistical dreams. Less maybe, but that means 'not for all'.
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Re: USA Possibilities to Prolong Peak
by wisconsin_cur » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 04:00:11
The question that should be asked is which one (or collection of options)is being or about to be done in time and at a scale to make a difference for mitigating the peak?
none.
What "can" be done is irrelevant to you and me unless it is done. Best stop hoping that some political or economic savior will come and do something to save you from the peak when there is no evidence for that belief.
What "could be done" never fed a hungry child or made a people prosper. Time to come out of mother's basement and the land of theory and start doing for yourself what no one else will do for you.
none.
What "can" be done is irrelevant to you and me unless it is done. Best stop hoping that some political or economic savior will come and do something to save you from the peak when there is no evidence for that belief.
What "could be done" never fed a hungry child or made a people prosper. Time to come out of mother's basement and the land of theory and start doing for yourself what no one else will do for you.
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Re: USA Possibilities to Prolong Peak
by Dezakin » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 04:33:24
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cipi604', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'L')et's say all these alternative sources do the job of replacing petroleum based energy as petroleum goes into decline.
How do you propose to replace the loss of feedstocks derived from petroleum? Such things as fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, plastics, solvents, synthetic fabrics, pharmaceutical, synthetic rubber...an endless list of products are produced using petroleum for its chemicals. Peak Oil is not just about the energy.
How do you propose to replace the loss of feedstocks derived from petroleum? Such things as fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, plastics, solvents, synthetic fabrics, pharmaceutical, synthetic rubber...an endless list of products are produced using petroleum for its chemicals. Peak Oil is not just about the energy.
All that stuff can be synthesized from H and CO over various catalysts.
You can make that from coal or nuclear power.
You really need to check the numbers. For business as usual you need stuff in HUGE amounts, and that can't happen even in our most optimistical dreams. Less maybe, but that means 'not for all'.
Done. You can make 600 tons of hydrogen per day from a 2GW thermal nuclear plant. Combined with CO2 from a cement plant run by nuclear power (a similar 2GW thermal) you can get some 4200 tons per day, or aproximatly 30,000 barrels per day of hydrocarbon product.
Now if we were to meet the current demand of 85 million barrels per day we would need some 6 terawatts of nuclear capacity. Certainly large, but only 12 times larger than our current capacity of 500 gigawatts. Not unworkable when you can shift large capital from all the hydrocarbon infrastructure in the world.
Seriously, before making assertions that 'x' is impossible, the numbers should be run.
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