Who exactly are the crack pots you intend here? Those calling for massive new un-sequestering of safely-buried carbon to further drive the planet toward total extinction of complex life, or those pointing out the absurdity of considering such inanity.
Oh, never mind, I just noticed this was SW posting, and he's always on the side of inanity.
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I think we can make a big step toward fixing everything...
Re: I think we can make a big step toward fixing everything.
by dohboi » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 16:20:06
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Re: I think we can make a big step toward fixing everything.
by Dezakin » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 17:24:12
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FrankRichards', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '
')Oh no! If I could only synthesize that stuff from CO and H in some sort of reactor with some sort of catalysts! Sounds like strange Nazi science that some evil regime in South Africa would persue though, and everyone knows that thats science fiction.
')Oh no! If I could only synthesize that stuff from CO and H in some sort of reactor with some sort of catalysts! Sounds like strange Nazi science that some evil regime in South Africa would persue though, and everyone knows that thats science fiction.
And to get back to oil shale, there was a link yesterday on The Oildrum about just that. Shell did a presentation at the Colorado School of Mines about the bazillions of tons of coal they would burn to extract the kerogen. Somebody asked them if it wouldn't just be better to use Fischer-Tropsche to make coal into oil. Answer: "Yes"
This from Shell's own engineers.
Yeah, thats what pretty much sinks shale unless brand new economic models are developed. Maybe if nuclear reactors heating the shale somehow become much more affordable and coal becomes much more expensive. So, maybe in 2030.
Or maybe never.
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Re: I think we can make a big step toward fixing everything.
by VMarcHart » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 21:52:31
And here's the PO.com screenplay.
An innocent hopeful joins the site. He's amazed by the thousands of postings. He reads some and a light goes on; "Hey, I know something I can share!"
He shares it. Poor bastard.
Two or three self-proclaimed know-everything experts thrash the newbie. Then someone apologizes for the bad behavior. Then a dick contest between 2-3 I-know-more-than-you self-proclaimed experts. Then other people chime in, and soon, no one talks about the idea --good or bad-- that the newbie shared.
That's the way it goes here. And that's some way not to solve the problem.
SoberGoose, brother/sister, welcome. Whereas I too think oil-shale is DOA, however, thanks for sharing, and keep on trucking. Don't listen to these dickhead doomers. I'm with you; I too think we can make a big step towards fixing everything. Call me a dreamer, a non-scientific, a hippie, whatever you want, but please make sure you call me hopeful. On this site, I've been called everything.
Want to start fixing it? Only half a child per adult after the age of 35, no more resuscitation after age of 70. Radical, isn't it? Let's hear what the experts say.
Be good!
An innocent hopeful joins the site. He's amazed by the thousands of postings. He reads some and a light goes on; "Hey, I know something I can share!"
He shares it. Poor bastard.
Two or three self-proclaimed know-everything experts thrash the newbie. Then someone apologizes for the bad behavior. Then a dick contest between 2-3 I-know-more-than-you self-proclaimed experts. Then other people chime in, and soon, no one talks about the idea --good or bad-- that the newbie shared.
That's the way it goes here. And that's some way not to solve the problem.
SoberGoose, brother/sister, welcome. Whereas I too think oil-shale is DOA, however, thanks for sharing, and keep on trucking. Don't listen to these dickhead doomers. I'm with you; I too think we can make a big step towards fixing everything. Call me a dreamer, a non-scientific, a hippie, whatever you want, but please make sure you call me hopeful. On this site, I've been called everything.
Want to start fixing it? Only half a child per adult after the age of 35, no more resuscitation after age of 70. Radical, isn't it? Let's hear what the experts say.
Be good!
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Re: I think we can make a big step toward fixing everything.
by wisconsin_cur » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 22:05:46
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'C')all me a dreamer, a non-scientific, a hippie, whatever you want, but please make sure you call me hopeful. On this site, I've been called everything.
Want to start fixing it? Only half a child per adult after the age of 35, no more resuscitation after age of 70. Radical, isn't it? Let's hear what the experts say.
Be good!
Want to start fixing it? Only half a child per adult after the age of 35, no more resuscitation after age of 70. Radical, isn't it? Let's hear what the experts say.
Be good!
A few years ago I had to replace 1/4 of my roof. I was glad to have the help of my dad. We did the math and figured out how many shingles would be needed. He said, "That seems like too much" lets get x amount instead."
"Ok," I said nervously.
Three trips to town later we ended up buying exactly as many shingles as the original math informed us originally.
Lesson, if given a choice between hope and math, I will trust the math. Hopes and dreams that keep you from undertaking the steps dictated by the math waste your time and, if the stakes are high enough, cost you the game.
If that makes me, or anyone else, a "di--head doomer" then so be it. Although I do find it interesting that you feel the need to resort to name calling I would hope you might come up with a secular argument that might change our minds.
But if you don't have an argument and want to write some people off with negative names and support your position with positive descriptions "hopeful" etc. Than so be it... just don't act surprised if no one believes you until you make an argument that is believable.
http://www.thenewfederalistpapers.com
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Re: I think we can make a big step toward fixing everything.
by MonteQuest » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 23:18:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', ' ')An innocent hopeful joins the site. He's amazed by the thousands of postings. He reads some and a light goes on; "Hey, I know something I can share!"
He shares it. Poor bastard.
Two or three self-proclaimed know-everything experts thrash the newbie. Then someone apologizes for the bad behavior. Then a dick contest between 2-3 I-know-more-than-you self-proclaimed experts. Then other people chime in, and soon, no one talks about the idea --good or bad-- that the newbie shared.
That's the way it goes here. And that's some way not to solve the problem.
He shares it. Poor bastard.
Two or three self-proclaimed know-everything experts thrash the newbie. Then someone apologizes for the bad behavior. Then a dick contest between 2-3 I-know-more-than-you self-proclaimed experts. Then other people chime in, and soon, no one talks about the idea --good or bad-- that the newbie shared.
That's the way it goes here. And that's some way not to solve the problem.
Many of us have been here almost 4 years. We have hashed and rehashed mos to of this to death.
When I first came to this site, I spent two full weeks reading everything I could in every forum before posting this, my first post:
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic1514.html+storm
44,000 views and it was on the front page for over two years.
Do your homework before posting anything.
Most of newbies I see posting haven't even cracked a book.
We are a tough crowd for nonsense postings.
A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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