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Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby seahorse » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 20:02:33

With all the food issues developing into various crisis, I hope this doesn't amount to much, but with all the other food issues happening all at once, it certainly adds to the concern. A locust plague is now hitting Central Asia. Bad timing.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ENTRAL ASIA
Like a Biblical plague locusts are devastating already parched fields
After a long cold winter and a serious drought locusts have come to Central Asia more numerous than ever. They are wiping out farmland and grassland, pushing herders to the k of survival, forcing many to sell off their livestock at low prices. Next winter the problem of meagre harvests will likely be compounded by meat shortages.


Astana (AsiaNews/Agencies) – From Afghanistan into Kazakhstan swarms of locusts are back in Central Asia, leaving barren fields in their wake. They come each year at the same time around April but this year a shortage of crops caused by the harsh winter forced them farther north and west where they attacked grain and cotton fields, fruit orchards and even grazing land for livestock.

In two months more than 220,000 hectares of farmland in Tajikistan, 200,000 hectares in southern Kazakhstan and 50,000 hectares in Kyrgyzstan have been infested.
Uzbekistan, western Afghanistan's Herat Province and Iran have also been affected.

Moving in swarms of millions, locusts can produce 500 more locusts each; their eggs can stay in the ground for five to ten years waiting for ideal weather conditions to hatch.
In Tajikistan, where more than half the population lives in poverty, food is already a problem. The authorities have had to mobilise the army to help the population but the government has little money for pesticides.

In Kazakhstan the government has banned grain exports to protect local consumers and keep prices in check, but it is still worried that it might not be able to contain the locust invasion.
“The drought has also left no grass for the herds,” said Serik Alzahov, deputy director of the regional Agriculture Department in South Kazakhstan Oblast.

If the insects wipe out the grassland, animals will have to be slaughtered. The alternative would be to move the herds to other areas, hundreds of kilometres away, but that is expensive.
The result is that speculators are already moving in, offering herders to buy up their livestock but at a low price. Many herders are indeed selling off their livestock since they cannot afford transportation for their animals elsewhere.

What is more in many places people have already started worrying about next winter, when the almost certain meagre harvest will be compounded by unavoidable meat shortages.

Central asia tajikistan kazakhstan afghanistan uzbekistan kyrgyzstan locust invasion infestation drought harsh winter harvest livestock farmland grassland grazing land.


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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby seahorse » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 20:17:55

Hmm, edible locust? Raises some interesting questions:

(1) How would they be harvested? If they are killed with pesticides, that rules out eating them.

(2) Maybe we could stomp them to death, but what's the eroi of human calories burned versus the calories gained from the ones you stomp? That is a legitimate survival question, btw, bc I've been on many survival courses and am always taught not to waiste energy chasing and swatting grasshoppers for that very reason.

(3) But, lets assume we stomp them, how many are salvageable to eat?

(4) How are they going to be stored in sufficient quantities over the winter to replace cattle? Cattle of course graze all winter. Locust come and eat themselves to death. So, we have to gather them and store them how? In deep freezes? Where will all the poor in Central Asia store them? What's the shelf life of an unrefrigerated grasshopper?
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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby Novus » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 20:18:13

Watch now as the bible loonies come out of the woodwork on this.
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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby startswithearthquakes » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 20:21:47

indeed, and Nice with wild honey.

Get ready for more plagues and other problems. It has been written, and cant be denied.
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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby Jack » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 20:33:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'H')mm, edible locust? Raises some interesting questions:

(1) How would they be harvested? If they are killed with pesticides, that rules out eating them.


Nets with appropriate mesh size.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', '
')(2) Maybe we could stomp them to death, but what's the eroi of human calories burned versus the calories gained from the ones you stomp? That is a legitimate survival question, btw, bc I've been on many survival courses and am always taught not to waiste energy chasing and swatting grasshoppers for that very reason.


That's working too hard...put the netted bugs in a closed metal container (trash can?), seal, and leave in the sun.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', '
')(4) How are they going to be stored in sufficient quantities over the winter to replace cattle? Cattle of course graze all winter. Locust come and eat themselves to death. So, we have to gather them and store them how? In deep freezes? Where will all the poor in Central Asia store them? What's the shelf life of an unrefrigerated grasshopper?


I dunno. Smoke them? Dry them in the sun? Keep them in brine?

Still, I rather like the little fellows. Increasing grain prices are good for me. Tis an ill wind that blows no good.

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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby Eli » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 21:31:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'W')atch now as the bible loonies come out of the woodwork on this.


6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages,and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


That is my favorite PO bible quote. Fact, is that when Po really gets going it is going to look a hell of a lot like the end of the world. And for many billions of people it will be.
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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby seahorse » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 21:56:48

I have a suspicion that after millions of years, if locust were a substitute for cows, man would have been harvesting them long ago.
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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby yeahbut » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 22:30:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'I') have a suspicion that after millions of years, if locust were a substitute for cows, man would have been harvesting them long ago.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lgeria - The natives of Algeria would collect large numbers of desert locusts to use as food. They were a valuable resource for the poor population. The locusts were cooked in salt water and dried in the sun. Not only were they collected for personal use, but the locusts were traded in the markets as well.

Australia - Australian natives, known as Aborigines, have eaten many different insects throughout history. Hundreds of Aborigines would come together at the Bogong mountains to feast on Bogong moths. These moths would gather in large numbers on the cave floors and in rock crevices. They were harvested, cooked in sand and stirred in hot ashes. This would burn off the wings and legs. The moths were then sifted through a net to remove their heads before they were eaten by the Aborigines. Some of the moths were ground into paste and made into cakes.

Japan - The Japanese have used insects as human food since ancient times. The practice probably started in the Japanese Alps, where many aquatic insects are captured and eaten. Thousands of years ago, this region had a large human population but a shortage of animal protein. Since the area had an abundance of aquatic insects, this food source became very important for human survival.

The Japanese still use insects in many recipes. If you were to go to a restaurant in Tokyo, you might have the opportunity to sample some of these insect-based dishes

* hachi-no-ko - boiled wasp larvae
* zaza-mushi - aquatic insect larvae
* inago - fried rice-field grasshoppers
* semi - fried cicada
* sangi - fried silk moth pupae

Kwara State, Nigeria, West Africa - People from this area have been known to feast on termites, crickets, grasshoppers, caterpillars, palm weevil larvae, and compost beetle larvae. Termites are collected by placing a bowl of water under a light source. The termites are attracted to the light and will then fall into the water. If large numbers of termites are gathered, they are sold at local markets. People of all ages eat the winged reproductive termites, but the queen termites are considered a delicacy and are only eaten by adults. The termites are roasted over a fire or hot coals or fried in a pot. After cooking, the wings are removed and salt is added to taste.


mm-mmm!

The Norse Greenlanders died out surrounded by fish and seals, because of their food taboos, while their Inuit neighbours thrived. Maybe we'll perish surrounded by wasps, ant larvae and crickets :)
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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby TheDude » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 23:32:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'M')aybe we'll perish surrounded by wasps, ant larvae and crickets :)


Not if you mean the people on this forum. We're ready with mesh nets to catch a swarm, serve on a bed of dandelions.

They used to use the same tactic on passenger pigeons.

How 'bout a Honey Ant for dessert?

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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby Kylon » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 00:18:59

People keep worrying about food prices...


All we need to do is plant a lot of soybeans in Africa!

They are self-fertilizing, so they wouldn't increase demand for Petrol as much.

A reduction in demand in Africa would occur, and with widespread enough planting, they could export food to other countries, bringing Africans out of poverty, and help stave off famine in the rest of the world.

Everybody wins(except for gas, ammonia, and current grain producers).
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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby yeahbut » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 00:52:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'M')aybe we'll perish surrounded by wasps, ant larvae and crickets :)

Not if you mean the people on this forum. We're ready with mesh nets to catch a swarm, serve on a bed of dandelions.


Dandelion is very sharp, the subtle locust juices would be overwhelmed. May I recommend sir tries a side of simple ditch weed?
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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby joelcolorado » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 11:50:20

The only reason there isnt plagues like there used to be in the USA is the States of Colorado, Utah, Nevada, etc. spray all that land where the locust come from.
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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 12:57:02

I have pruned this thread to remove the off topic and disruptive items.

Can we be a little more civil with one another please?

Thank you.
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Re: Locust plague = bad timing

Unread postby Twilight » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 13:27:58

Is there ever a good time for a plague of locusts?
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