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Agriculture Response to Peak Oil
Re: Agriculture Response to Peak Oil
by Pops » Wed 14 May 2008, 16:22:17
Which wealthy is that P?
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: Agriculture Response to Peak Oil
by Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 16:34:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'W')hich wealthy is that P?
Us, I guess.....
<<<owns a little land, or rather, rents it from the govt (prop tax)
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Re: Agriculture Response to Peak Oil
by Pops » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 15:02:39
Corn was up the limit yesterday even though most everybody has seen the weather problems through the corn belt on the morning and evening news for weeks.
This was the thing I worried about, lots of farmers taking out big debt to get in on ethanol. A weather/subsidy/economy glitch whacks a few and next year things are just worser and worser and the guys who didn't get hurt buy up those who did - rinse, repeat.
On a positive note, I think I got my calves to the sale barn just in time for once.
This was the thing I worried about, lots of farmers taking out big debt to get in on ethanol. A weather/subsidy/economy glitch whacks a few and next year things are just worser and worser and the guys who didn't get hurt buy up those who did - rinse, repeat.
On a positive note, I think I got my calves to the sale barn just in time for once.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: Agriculture Response to Peak Oil
by efarmer » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 15:11:35
Wow Pops you are getting desperate. I would hate to see
your legs now with the thighs going down to a bare bone
that connects to your ankles and feet. Did you sell them
as a pair or one at a time?
your legs now with the thighs going down to a bare bone
that connects to your ankles and feet. Did you sell them
as a pair or one at a time?
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Re: Agriculture Response to Peak Oil
by Pops » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 15:21:58
Actually, we sent 8 Holstein steers maybe 3-4 wt. yesterday and according to the report they were up a dollar or three from last week.
Angus the same size were down $10-$15 cwt though!
Burgers and soda are gonna cost next spring!
Angus the same size were down $10-$15 cwt though!
Burgers and soda are gonna cost next spring!
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: Agriculture Response to Peak Oil
by Jenab6 » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 16:57:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') wanted to start a thread regarding the state of modern ag around the world and the situations and changes people here at PO.com see/read taking place.
We have more than one thread about the various causes, effects and proposed solutions but this thread is about the current state of affairs affecting our food supply from the PO perspective...
There has been a big shift in food production in the last couple of years in the US. We here at PO talk about this and that but people with their lifes' work at stake have went out on a limb to buy land, equipment and invest in distilleries because of a War on Foreign Oil.
I think we are feeling the effects of subsidized ethanol consumption in our food prices but what I fear more is an abrupt cutting of the subsidies .
We have more than one thread about the various causes, effects and proposed solutions but this thread is about the current state of affairs affecting our food supply from the PO perspective...
There has been a big shift in food production in the last couple of years in the US. We here at PO talk about this and that but people with their lifes' work at stake have went out on a limb to buy land, equipment and invest in distilleries because of a War on Foreign Oil.
I think we are feeling the effects of subsidized ethanol consumption in our food prices but what I fear more is an abrupt cutting of the subsidies .
This is what comes of letting a voting majority of ignoramuses make the laws. Even when they wish to do well, their incompetence in the many varied areas which the law must treat causes them to get it wrong most of the time. Even assuming that some few within the legislative body has the knowledge of how to handle the matter before them, those few will be outvoted by the greater number who see only political costs and benefits in how they shall decide.
Not one among them will ever rise to declare his ignorance of the subject to which a bill pertains, much less to abstain from casting his vote so that more knowledgeable lawmakers will have more influence. Among such people honesty and stupidity are almost the same thing, and since none of them wish to seem stupid, few of them are ever honest.
If only six or seven costly and disastrous policies are pursued before the correct plan is found and enacted, and if only sixty or seventy years must pass before that correct plan is discovered by calamitous trial and error, then count yourself fortunate. Because there is no special reason why a parliamentary democracy or a representative republic should ever think its way to wisdom. When no policy-maker suffers in consequence of bad policy, beyond a return to a life as a businessman or appointed government officer, no incentive exists for any special effort toward good policies.
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Re: Agriculture Response to Peak Oil
by oneplain1 » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 20:21:10
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'A')ctually, we sent 8 Holstein steers maybe 3-4 wt. yesterday and according to the report they were up a dollar or three from last week.
Angus the same size were down $10-$15 cwt though!
Burgers and soda are gonna cost next spring!
Angus the same size were down $10-$15 cwt though!
Burgers and soda are gonna cost next spring!
I've heard thru the grapevine that fat cows and slaughter bulls are bringing good money right now. Hay season is upon us now, and I'm having a hard time getting motivated....almost looking for any excuse to seriously cull the herd. Input prices make raising any more than the family can eat a complete waste of time and a large loss of money!
City slickers might be gettin' a little skinnier.
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Re: Agriculture Response to Peak Oil
by SoylentGreen » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 20:31:51
what the spin is from seed/biotech company Monsanto is twice the yield per acre.
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