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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby Madpaddy » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 11:14:53

hope_full, Very interesting point about broccoli. My local store which is the Irish equivalent of Walmart has been out of bananas for the last few days. This would be unheard of normally. Also, I run my car off vegetable oil which has gone from €0.68 to €0.99 in the last month but now is just unavailable.

We should not be surprised though. We have been talking about and predicting this course of events on this website for years. Just a bit of a shock to see it all unfolding. Unfortunately, the more dire predictions of the doomers on this site will also probably unfold in the next few years.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 12:21:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hope_full', 'I') posted this on another thread and then realized this was a better spot, but yeah, I'm seeing changes in my neighborhood.
1) This morning, went to a popular breakfast eatery with my husband. This place is in a real trendy area where the downtown professionals live and work. I've been there nine times in the last two years. Each time, the place is packed. - at breakfast!! The prices are steep and our basic breakfast for two was $26. Today, the restaurant was *empty*. Eventually two other diners (single people) entered. Several waitresses stood behind the counter looking bored.
2) After breakfast, I went to the local grocery store. They were out of broccoli - no fresh broccoli to be found. In the past, I've found organic broccoli, local broccoli, shrink-wrapped broccoli and rubber-band bound broccoli. It's popular around here. Today, no broccoli.
3) While the rest of the store looked well-stocked, the produce department had several empty bins. In the places that did have veggies, you could see the black bottom of the bins, because the bins were almost empty. There were only one or two handfuls of many items.
Truckers strikes haven't even started in this area, so I'm surprised to see them almost out of things. It's a puzzle.

Welcome to the apocalypse. If you didn't get ready for it by preparing 6 months of food, then you shouldn't complain. Also did you drive there in your big-arse SUV?
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby ShinyOldLady » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 12:49:55

Nothing visible in Spokane, WA. Most folks are saying the "recession" will pass.

Spokaloo is a very typical small city and I think by the time we see any big differences here, EVERYONE else will have sped ahead of us in change. We have almost no public transportation, so I am surprised there's no noticeable change in traffic patterns.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 12:55:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ShinyOldLady', 'N')othing visible in Spokane, WA. Most folks are saying the "recession" will pass.
Spokaloo is a very typical small city and I think by the time we see any big differences here, EVERYONE else will have sped ahead of us in change. We have almost no public transportation, so I am surprised there's no noticeable change in traffic patterns.

Hey, Shiny. We escaped from Spokane three years ago; lived by Manito Park. I've never thought of the place as a "typical small city". When the ol' S does really hit the blades Spokane will have major problems. Too many lower income families with just a thin layer of well to do people.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 13:14:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ShinyOldLady', 'N')othing visible in Spokane, WA. Most folks are saying the "recession" will pass.
Spokaloo is a very typical small city and I think by the time we see any big differences here, EVERYONE else will have sped ahead of us in change. We have almost no public transportation, so I am surprised there's no noticeable change in traffic patterns.

Hey, Shiny. We escaped from Spokane three years ago; lived by Manito Park. I've never thought of the place as a "typical small city". When the ol' S does really hit the blades Spokane will have major problems. Too many lower income families with just a thin layer of well to do people.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby hope_full » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 13:32:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')elcome to the apocalypse. If you didn't get ready for it by preparing 6 months of food, then you shouldn't complain. Also did you drive there in your big-arse SUV?

Uh, back up the anger-management truck here, mister. I was answering a post, not complaining about local conditions.
And as to your next statement, are you assuming that just because I'm a married woman that I'm driving a big-arse SUV? Perhaps you'd have a lot more fun at another forum, like misogynist.com.

Yeesh, I didn't realize this was a male-only forum.
And to answer your question, I bet my vehicle gets better mileage than your vehicle. So there.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby JJ » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 15:02:12

went to wallyworld day before yesterday and got two (more) 25 pound sacks of jasmin rice (10.99). Wife came home with 50 dollars yesterday and said don't you think we ought to go buy some more food. Told her "no, we have so much and it needs to rotate out..." Her friend called last night from wallyworld and said the same bag of rice was now 16.99.

Frito Lay vendor said today that they are having a potatoe shortage.

Everything in produce went up this morning (15 pound bag russets 6.49 from 4.29, etc.) (Wed. is price change day in the grocery business)
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby prairiedog » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 15:21:04

SW New Mexico, small town. Bookmobile service stopped, one of two local gas stations is rumored to be closing. Many more motorcycles on the road..my son says he wants to trade his small pickup in for one. Large gardens this year...some community gardening going on. Conversations with folks indicate to me a general awareness that things are not going very well. I tell them about peak oil and most understand.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby biofuel13 » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 15:22:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'w')ent to wallyworld day before yesterday and got two (more) 25 pound sacks of jasmin rice (10.99). Wife came home with 50 dollars yesterday and said don't you think we ought to go buy some more food. Told her "no, we have so much and it needs to rotate out..." Her friend called last night from wallyworld and said the same bag of rice was now 16.99.
Frito Lay vendor said today that they are having a potato shortage.
Everything in produce went up this morning (15 pound bag russets 6.49 from 4.29, etc.) (Wed. is price change day in the grocery business)

what is your location?
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby JJ » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 15:35:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('biofuel13', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'w')ent to wallyworld day before yesterday and got two (more) 25 pound sacks of jasmin rice (10.99). Wife came home with 50 dollars yesterday and said don't you think we ought to go buy some more food. Told her "no, we have so much and it needs to rotate out..." Her friend called last night from wallyworld and said the same bag of rice was now 16.99.

Frito Lay vendor said today that they are having a potatoe shortage.

Everything in produce went up this morning (15 pound bag russets 6.49 from 4.29, etc.) (Wed. is price change day in the grocery business)


what is your location?


Burnet, Texas (wallyworld is in Marble Falls, Texas 13 miles south)
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 23:59:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', '
')Anyway, things are sinking quite quickly here in Ireland but of course we still have a long way to go before we are even as badly off as we were in the late 1980's.


I was there in the early 70's. It was like a third world country.

How does the median income in Ireland today compare to the USA at current exchange rates? I calculated that Ireland is higher.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby Madpaddy » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:19:16

Funny thing Keith,

Ireland still has the public services and infrastructure of a third world country but the average industrial wage is about $48,000 US. Most people are doing quite well but woe betide you if you have to attend a hospital unless you are one of the filthy rich who can attend a private clinic. Also everything is much more and I mean much more expensive than the US. For example cars are approximately half the price in the US.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby Karlos4 » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:48:42

Well, here in Spain we are having a real taste of it. Maybe the SHTF has not happened yet, but I can already smell it. Shortages of food, no gas at gas stations... It's just a strike, but a Peak Oil strike. And more are to follow. There is another thread about it.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 03:48:25

Everything's normal here in the Seattle area. People still stuffing their pieholes with "All you can eat" buffets. Lots of obese waddlers to the Baskin Robbins. Hey 30+ flavors!
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby patience » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 09:24:02

I replied to an ad on Craigslist for a near perfect Sears "Progress" wood/coal cookstove for $300. I asked the guy to measure it to be sure it would fit. He called back, but said he'd had many calls for it, and when he went to where it was stored to measure it, some fellow handed him the money, so it's sold.

He told me all the callers were telling him they wanted it to USE, do to the rising cost of energy. Historically, these stoves have sold only as antiques. He was flabbergasted. We talked a while about PO. Although he had not heard the term, he had the idea. He expects major problems, especially for what he called "nickel millionaires", those who buy everything on credit.

He had to remove the ad quickly, because he was "Overrun with calls". Some of the sheeple are waking up.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby topcat » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 10:18:20

Nothing hitting the fan here. Went for a haircut the other day, next to me at the light was a Hummer strech limo filled with women. It had to be 30' long.

Most of the vehicles driving past our place are either trucks or SUV's, and several are towing boats.

Of course, the poor folks just aren't driving I guess.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby Midessa » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 10:37:13

No SHTF here either. In fact this area is booming due to the high price of oil. There is much more traffic on the roads than there was a few years ago. I see many more new luxury cars than before and the 1980's style big 4x4s with the lift kits and large tires seem to be popular again.

I have a lake property about 100 miles away and I go down there on weekends. The highway is not congested but has a steady flow. I still see many RVs, skiboats, and jet skis.

Locally, everthing is busy. There is a real problem with getting enough workers. Housing is a problem as well. We cannot build new houses and apartments fast enough to keep up with demand.
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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 10:48:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Midessa', 'N')o SHTF here either. In fact this area is booming due to the high price of oil. There is much more traffic on the roads than there was a few years ago. I see many more new luxury cars than before and the 1980's style big 4x4s with the lift kits and large tires seem to be popular again.

I have a lake property about 100 miles away and I go down there on weekends. The highway is not congested but has a steady flow. I still see many RVs, skiboats, and jet skis.

Locally, everthing is busy. There is a real problem with getting enough workers. Housing is a problem as well. We cannot build new houses and apartments fast enough to keep up with demand.


I would say that you are experiencing a mini Export Land Model in your area due to the industry of oil and gas extraction.

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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 12:15:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('topcat', 'N')othing hitting the fan here. Went for a haircut the other day, next to me at the light was a Hummer strech limo filled with women. It had to be 30' long.

Most of the vehicles driving past our place are either trucks or SUV's, and several are towing boats.

Of course, the poor folks just aren't driving I guess.


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Re: SHTF IN YOUR LOCALITY

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 12:16:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Midessa', 'N')o SHTF here either. In fact this area is booming due to the high price of oil. There is much more traffic on the roads than there was a few years ago. I see many more new luxury cars than before and the 1980's style big 4x4s with the lift kits and large tires seem to be popular again.

I have a lake property about 100 miles away and I go down there on weekends. The highway is not congested but has a steady flow. I still see many RVs, skiboats, and jet skis.

Locally, everthing is busy. There is a real problem with getting enough workers. Housing is a problem as well. We cannot build new houses and apartments fast enough to keep up with demand.


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