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Re: I'm getting mad as I listen to this ****** guy!

Unread postby Captain_Meh » Mon 09 Jun 2008, 18:47:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bman4k1', 'T')here is only one problem with your point. What about the depleting easy to get reserves? The new reserves have to replace and increase the current amount of known reserves. 60-70 dollars a barrel is ridiculous, way too low.

Last I checked, the most expensive conventional sources were currently costing about $50/barrel to produce. Unconventional sources such as shale were costing about $70/barrel to produce. Ditto tar sands.

Granted, the last two make up only a fraction of the overall supply at present. However, unless you believe that it now costs more to produce conventional sources than unconventional sources, then these production figures support my original point.

Again, the margin is too high to suggest that $130/barrel reflects anything close to the current state of global reserves.
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Re: I'm getting mad as I listen to this ****** guy!

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 09 Jun 2008, 19:22:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Captain_Meh', 'A')gain, the margin is too high to suggest that $130/barrel reflects anything close to the current state of global reserves.

Right, and how much are the insurance premiums on an oil tanker nowadays?
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Re: I'm getting mad as I listen to this ****** guy!

Unread postby Captain_Meh » Mon 09 Jun 2008, 20:45:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'R')ight, and how much are the insurance premiums on an oil tanker nowadays?

I fail to see your point.
Whatever they may be, they are factored into the total production cost for conventional sources, the most expensive of which are still only about $50/barrel.
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Re: I'm getting mad as I listen to this ****** guy!

Unread postby TreebeardsUncle » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 01:02:19

Well, there are also distribution, transportation, whole-saling, security (political) costs etc.

This has been a great opportunity to make money on drillers this year.

Expect oil to really take off the next few years.
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Re: I'm getting mad as I listen to this ****** guy!

Unread postby jbrovont » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 01:40:46

True, but here's the problem: China has already shown it's willing to stave off price shock by government subsidy. Why is this our problem? China owns in excess of $1.5T in US debt (yay war!). China doesn't have to subsidise the price of oil for it's citizens forever (remember only a small portion of their population realizes the benefit of oil at this time) they just have to do it long enough to cause enough demand destruction other places to make sure their industry survives longer. Unfortunately, we owe them money. Lots of it, and they're free to use our debt payments to keep the oil flowing into their country while the price climbs higher. Default? Then we really _can't_ afford oil. Keep paying - and guess where the demand destruction will be the worst. Once the US economy unravels and we really are consuming a lot less - we'll find that China's economic progress will not have stopped. Instead, they will own our banks, our mortgages, be doing our jobs... wait, oops - looks like the jobs, factories and tech jobs we prided ourselves with are already there. What exactly was it that we produce again? Oh yeah - "Service." Biggie size that please. Hold the pickles. :)


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mettezz', 'Y')up he's an retard.
Demand destruction for oil is a myth, if americans and europeans consumes less oil, china and india will consume more.
I also think the Bear Stearns boss said also that oil is a bubble and he really is full of crap.

There is no way China and India will be able to afford gas either if it causes significant demand destruction in the US. Significant demand destruction in the US would have to be $200.00+ oil for an extended time. Americans will always drive. They will cut out ball games, eating out, movies etc. before they stop driving. There would have to be a full blown depression to see significant demand destruction here, and if that happens, China and India will feel the effects too in a huge way.
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Re: I'm getting mad as I listen to this ****** guy!

Unread postby vetusfirma » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 03:39:52

Demand destruction does not create more oil. The world still runs out. what ever isn't used here, now will be used somewhere else, later. Its the contraction in supply that triggers all the bad events. I don't see how demand destruction has any effect on supply. The world cannot increase production beyond about 100 mbd, if memory serves. and the world will use what ever is produced. I mean really, everybody agrees with the concept of PO don't they, or did I miss something new.

The only thing demand destruction could do is extend the time line. We can suffer much longer that we have too.

Once this is all over we will be back to the simple/tribal life many seem to cherish and want. Or we will all be gone, which is what others seem to want or at least think what we deserve.
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