[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Iaato', 'A')re you saying we should use up all of our oil now to sustain our current wasteful way of life?

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')hy do you need Anwr to do what private industry could easily do, without it. What a disingenuous piece of nonsense that is.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Iaato', 'A')ll of the alternatives will require fossil fuels to maintain and run.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peleg', 'p')eak oil cannot be avoided. The United States will fall within two decades never to rise again as it is currently known.

[Iaato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')'m supportive of Roscoe Bartlett's plan to drill ANWR and use the proceeds to develop alternative energy to replace oil.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Iaato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')'m supportive of Roscoe Bartlett's plan to drill ANWR and use the proceeds to develop alternative energy to replace oil.

[Iaato]

PA, if you look at human nature and the history of US politics closely, you realize that both options we describe would be used wastefully to maintain and grow the current way of life, no matter what the original premise for the law was. A populace desperate for gasoline will not allow that Arctic oil to be funneled into research.

Using the energy from reducing waste to adapt our way of life will come naturally; people who can't drive anymore will bike or use mass transit, and so on. Adding fuel to the fire now by drilling arctic inhibits that adaptation.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Iaato', 'A') populace desperate for gasoline will not allow that Arctic oil to be funneled into research.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '.')..We do not need research on wind and solar. We know they work. We need to subsidize their installation with tax and government programs. ...

[sicophiliac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')ou have been here long enough PA to understand what is going on here. I am surprised you have leaned so little. We do not need research on wind and solar. We know they work. We need to subsidize their installation with tax and government programs. We need to create an electric infrastructure including long-haul freight train lines, intercity passager systems, and local public transport. This works. We do not need research on biofuel gimmicks. They have already failed. We do not need research on CTL, tar sands, shale, THAI, SAGH, or super deep water. They barely work and are a waste of money and time. We need to powerdown now and stop feeding the consumer frenzy. now. We certainly do not need to tie research into a boondoggles. The 10 billion possible barrels in ANWAR are good for a few years. THEN WHAT? Do it now or STFU. And stop handing out public money and lands to oil companies.

[Peleg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peleg', 'p')eak oil cannot be avoided. The United States will fall within two decades never to rise again as it is currently known.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peleg', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'P')eak oil is a very serious problem, but there are lots of people who aren't ready to give up just yet. The sooner we get started on alternative energy and economic restructuring in the US the better.

[doodlebug2]

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If possible, please explain why the reason for drilling in Anwar WILL or WILL NOT alleviate the current supply problems. Even today, D. Cheney was saying problem solved if we drill in ANWAR. I read recently that it would drop maybe 75cents a barrel, at 129$ a barrel, BFD. It seems that whomever you listen to or read has opinion, they all can't be correct. Right?
Why not let Oil Comps drill, and when it doesn't solve the problem, it is then proven that the problem is bigger than that. If oil is then coming out of our ears after Anwar, that group can have their proof. I am at the point of whom to believe. I am not for drilling there, but I just am tired of listening and getting different answers from different groups.
I would like to get facts to make my mind up. Thanks

[Dreamtwister]

This topic has been covered at length. Here are just a few threads:
Drilling in currently off-limits areas of the US
An acceptable case for drilling in ANWR?
alaska equals nothing
Congressman Roscoe Bartlett Opposes Drilling in ANWR
Arctic National Wildlife Refuge; The Last Nail in the Coffin
The search function is your friend.
{the above threads are now merged}

[Lore]

Drilling in ANWR and off the Gulf Coast is chemotherapy for a dying patient. It only helps to prolong life for a brief while, giving the illusion that everything is alright and its business as usual.

[ProudFossil]

When do Democrats allow ANWR and/or new off-shore drilling?
at $5.00 a gallon for gas?
at $6.00 a gallon for gas?
at $7.00 a gallon for gas?
never