[Jenab6]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I') voted that it had already hit. Phaeryen alluded to several items, all worthy of note.

We are seeing food riots and real hunger in the third world. The first world is experiencing inflation, economic difficulty, and some distress (including hunger) among the bottom quintile of the population. The President has started talking about conservation.

I wonder what it will take for people to recognize that the events we have been expecting are here, now, presently. Are we willfully blind?

[misterno]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I')t certainly is getting nasty out there. Here in Maine things have never been that rosy, so what's the difference?

I am beginning to sense a feeling of quiet desperation lately, though.

I'm cutting wood.

They won't let us pre-buy heating oil yet, so we have no way of planning ahead in that department, but I figure with a cord or two cut and a full tank of oil we can make it through next winter anyway.

We can all stand to lose a few pounds, and are used to eating beans, so we'll be ok until some time next winter anyway.

We can't plan any further ahead than that.

The world will have to end after next winter.

I don't anticipate a flood of refugees into Maine.

It seems like most people want to move out lately, especially after last winter.

It's spring, and it's not so bad right now. I planted my garden.

The fiddleheads should be coming up soon too.

We won't starve right off, anyway.

[ExtractionEngineer]

It is optimistic to say things are already bad. Sure, we are seeing a lot of signs that peak-oil is beginning to make our economic and social foundations creek and squeek...but we have seen few, if any, of the welds crack yet. That is why I say it is optimistic to think the poop has already hit the fan....to me that implies we are seeing the beginning of the worst...I don't think we've even caught a glimpse of the worst yet. Global production has not even begun to post regular and significant declines.

All of that being said great change is definitely afoot. I was in Houston Monday thru Wednesday at the Offshore Technology Conference. Matt Simmons gave a presentation on Monday that was fairly peak-oil heavy toward the end (I missed his presentation...but reviewed the slides on his website). Among the thousands of folks there it seemed as if peak-oil was just a normal part of the business environment now. Not that most of them grasped the ramifications...but there was no real opposition to the reality of it. This is a far cry from where we were even 2 years ago.

Also, I listened to a lot of talk radio during my 8 hour drive. The only thing I heard about for 3 days besides the upcoming presidential election was the cost of oil and how everyone seems to believe it is going to $200+ in the near term. Again, this is a far cry from where we were even recently. There was almost no speak of a speculation bubble or about the Arabs holding out on us. Of course almost none of these shills mentioned anything about peak oil or resource depletion but more typically framed the issue in terms of politics and which goverment "solutions" they preferred.

I did see one very dead canary on the trip. Apparently a very large number of mom and pop filling stations have been put out of business in the last few years because of wild price fluctuations (this reason is my own speculation). It is easy to gauge the approximate time of demise based upon the unleaded prices left on their unlit signs.

Anyway...cover up with a plastic tarp because the feces is soon to be heading your way...if you think it's already bad...just wait. You've merely been sprinkled with a little harmless baby poo....soon you'll be deep sea diving in an ocean of man-crap.

And he had mexican food for lunch.

Also...you don't know how to swim.

And your mouth was open when you fell in.

....couldn't resist.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '
')The first year in which worldwide deaths exceed worldwide births by 100 million or more.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ExtractionEngineer', 'I')t is optimistic to say things are already bad. Sure, we are seeing a lot of signs that peak-oil is beginning to make our economic and social foundations creek and squeek...but we have seen few, if any, of the welds crack yet. That is why I say it is optimistic to think the poop has already hit the fan....to me that implies we are seeing the beginning of the worst...I don't think we've even caught a glimpse of the worst yet. Global production has not even begun to post regular and significant declines.

All of that being said great change is definitely afoot. I was in Houston Monday thru Wednesday at the Offshore Technology Conference. Matt Simmons gave a presentation on Monday that was fairly peak-oil heavy toward the end (I missed his presentation...but reviewed the slides on his website). Among the thousands of folks there it seemed as if peak-oil was just a normal part of the business environment now. Not that most of them grasped the ramifications...but there was no real opposition to the reality of it. This is a far cry from where we were even 2 years ago.

Also, I listened to a lot of talk radio during my 8 hour drive. The only thing I heard about for 3 days besides the upcoming presidential election was the cost of oil and how everyone seems to believe it is going to $200+ in the near term. Again, this is a far cry from where we were even recently. There was almost no speak of a speculation bubble or about the Arabs holding out on us. Of course almost none of these shills mentioned anything about peak oil or resource depletion but more typically framed the issue in terms of politics and which goverment "solutions" they preferred.

I did see one very dead canary on the trip. Apparently a very large number of mom and pop filling stations have been put out of business in the last few years because of wild price fluctuations (this reason is my own speculation). It is easy to gauge the approximate time of demise based upon the unleaded prices left on their unlit signs.

Anyway...cover up with a plastic tarp because the feces is soon to be heading your way...if you think it's already bad...just wait. You've merely been sprinkled with a little harmless baby poo....soon you'll be deep sea diving in an ocean of man-crap.

And he had mexican food for lunch.

Also...you don't know how to swim.

And your mouth was open when you fell in.

....couldn't resist.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I')'m trying to talk my brother into getting a 22mag (he lives in the deep woods) as deer poaching may become popular once again, aka 30's................

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I')'m trying to talk my brother into getting a 22mag (he lives in the deep woods) as deer poaching may become popular once again, aka 30's................

[usncom]

When you talk about $70 a barrel oil and gasoline under $3.00 a gallon as if it were the good ole days but then you realize it was less than a year ago.....then yes its getting a little too real.

It makes you want to pick up a camera and start taking photographs of fuel station price signs to look at week from week.

[AnIowan]

I voted for #2 for two reasons related to our move from Missouri back here to Iowa 9 years ago:

1) The last tank of gas we put in while leaving Missouri was at $.89 a gallon in Moberly. Today, gas was $3.54. A 12 gallon fill up was $10.68, today would have been $42.48.

2) The house we moved from had a 300 gallon fuel oil tank in it, and our first winter there, fuel oil was between $.89 and $.99 a gallon. As I paid our propane bill two weeks ago, I check the current price, and it as $3.49 a gallon. A "summer fill" of 250 gallons cost us $222.50. That same summer fill now would have cost us $872.50.

We all have stories like this to share, but for me, it's even more surreal as this has all happened in the life time of my oldest daughter. That's the part that scares the hell out of me, what will life be like when she's my age??

[Hagakure_Leofman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('usncom', 'I')t makes you want to pick up a camera and start taking photographs of fuel station price signs to look at week from week.

[bodigami]

bumping to see what the newbies think

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'b')umping to see the what the newbies think

[CamelJockey]

i did a poll just like this. Please use the search function

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CamelJockey', 'i') did a poll just like this. Please use the search function

[Magus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SOS', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'T')he fan is on its highest setting, the crap is entering the terminal phase of its flight trajectory and we are all sitting in splatter range.

When it hits we will all know about it.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hagakure_Leofman', 'i')s there an award for 'best poll questions'!?

[jasonraymondson]

World War III is what you all need to worry about, I am constantly catching those damn religious chanels discussing the end of days and about world war III. These fuckers want to die and get fucking raptured.

[Rubin_Flagg]

It is grim. My entire family is completely changing the way it looks at everything. I have cut back on all non-essential purchases and will be placing a lot of cordwood on the property. Everyone is talking about this Peak Oil issue...that means the fear is about to hit.

Most of the people in my area are going to be mighty hungry come the fall. I also expect the banks will throw a lot of them out of their housing. Luckily we live within walking distance to work and food in a medium sized area. Everyone who commutes is screwed.

[Ludi]

Rubin, are you saying you expect most of the people in your area to be out of work by the fall, and that's why they will be "mighty hungry"?

That is indeed a very grim point of view.

[Rubin_Flagg]

I expect that there will not be a lot of food to buy in the country period...
Look who controls the food and most of the agriculture. do you think that they are interested in feeding the average Joe? I dont think so. They will sell the food to get the oil they need to make more food.

Argentina, Russia along with all sorts of other food producing countries have restricted exports. The US has not. That just means that the foreign corporations and soverign wealth funds will buy all the food available...from any place available.

Its local food produced on a small scale or nothing. If the US has a bad year in good production then it gets really bad or everyone really quickly.