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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Pops » Mon 26 May 2008, 22:44:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakingAroundtheCorner', 'P')ops?...is that you...I'm here...on the other side of the light Pops...


Ah Crap! You scared me!

I thought it was my reflection in the sneeze guard talking to me!

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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Pops » Mon 26 May 2008, 22:53:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', ' ')Maybe just one piece of advice; Take a look at the Amish lifestyle.


Several of my neighbors are Amish. I'd bet a dollar they are doing something either more productive or fullfiling than us.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 26 May 2008, 22:57:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ')Shut Your Trap About Fat People. We're outnumbered 50 to 1.

And there were what, 5 other people there?
I've been to a pizza/arcade/smorgy place like that.
It is worse than watching Mad Max/Soylent Green/Body Snatchers all at one time after a few hits of 4/way Windowpane.
I'm guessing...

No Pop's. I'm serious! It was an entire HERD of obese. The place was packed and we had to wait with even more fat people in the tiny waiting room, with the neat TV installed into the floor, which made no sense to me because i doubt if many could actually see the screen.

It was like a real live fat convention. They were noisy eating.

ooooops... hey new people. We now and then get on about waste and excess. That's part of cutting back on unnecessary stuff.... like $10.00 burgers and bottomless orders of fries.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby dunewalker » Mon 26 May 2008, 22:59:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', 'Y')ou guys are pretty tough on newbys huh? Just wanted to say thanks for the links. Just for the record, I'm a born again Christian so I'll put my faith in God rather than a bunch of self-proclaimed prophets and you won't be receiving any more posts from me. Maybe just one piece of advice; Take a look at the Amish lifestyle. You may actually learn something other than sitting in front of a monitor and posting drivel on the i-net for four years or whatever.

I'll side with Hillbilly on this issue. The veteran posters here are tending to come across as self-important elitists, or as Spiro Agnew said "effete snobs". It would be better to presume that each "newbie" is actually someone of significant importance in the outer world, passing this way for the first time. They may not presently be "experts" on the subject of peak oil, but might indeed humble us all in their own area of primary interest.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Peleg » Mon 26 May 2008, 23:01:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', 'I') found this site from an article in yesterday's newspaper and I have spent this entire day here. I must have read hundreds of posts but there is one scenario that I really didn't see addressed. The general consensus seems to be that oil demand has exceeded supply and the question is how to cope with the situation. I have found all sorts of opinions on that subject but I think there are far more dire consequences than that. As supply continues to decline and economies and governments approach collapse, it appears to me that there is going to be a tremendous, global struggle to secure that oil. Global warfare? Annihilation? I would love to see your comments.

Hey Hillbilly,
I agree with the others that these topics have been discussed. But I have to laugh because some of the posts by the older members once we realized there was a viewer spike coming from the mainstream exposure was like old farmers snapping there suspenders against their chest while they talked about this years crop. I saw alot of threads telling all the newbs where to go and what to do. My take on it is that the best response is to rediscuss some of this stuff. I even saw some shameless promotions of the peak oil underwear they sell in the peak gear area (lol.)

Anyways, you are right on that is one possible scenario, likely as some see it. The question is do we want another world war? If that is what the heart of mankind desires, or will tolerate, then peak oil is the ultimate justification for the 'me' and 'mine' syndrome.

Right now the most pressing issue is the current crisis. That is are we going to get the sudden bone chilling realization sometime later this summer that oil is heading toward $200 because the market finally believes that we are at peak? are we going to slide into next spring with no appreciable supply growth and perhaps a percent or two percent decline. How will a new American President deal with that knowledge?

I do believe that there will be possibly two more major conflicts in the Middle East before this is over. I admit freely that this is at least partly a religious view (which is more important to me.) However the idea that some nation will get the idea to try to control dwindling oil supplies is not far-fetched at all given the history of the human race.

Some would say that Iraq and Afghanistan were oil related. Some even go so far as to say that 9/11 was a manufactured event to give us that pretext for war. It is clear that the neocons wanted Iraq before 9/11 to many. Iran is next on the list, Syria not far behind.

The average American does not think in these terms at all as far as we can tell by talking to them and watching the news. It's still brats and kabobs for memorial day, and boy is'nt gas prices high this year. That is going to change in the months to come.

This Presidential election is very important to the future of the United States. Are we going to have a president who will level with us about our oil use and insist that something substantive be done? Or will we have a president who remains a rubber stamp for the wealthy? Again, the options are getting less. For though most Americans might seem in the dark, the poor and lower middle income folks are really feeling it at $4 per gallon. If politicians ignore that, the mid-term consequences are going to be difficult to watch.

I like to comment often on the socio-political issues. The power centers, both locally, regionally, and nationally will be shaken by peak oil severely and many will have to change or be lost. The mad scramble to come on board with peak oil as a platform plank later this summer is going to be comical in my opinion because it is the issue that isn't and they have already all said some pretty ridiculous things about how to handle energy.

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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 26 May 2008, 23:01:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ')Shut Your Trap About Fat People. We're outnumbered 50 to 1.

And there were what, 5 other people there?
I've been to a pizza/arcade/smorgy place like that.
It is worse than watching Mad Max/Soylent Green/Body Snatchers all at one time after a few hits of 4/way Windowpane.
I'm guessing...

No Pop's. I'm serious! It was an entire HERD of obese. The place was packed and we had to wait with even more fat people in the tiny waiting room, with the neat TV installed into the floor, which made no sense to me because i doubt if many could actually see the screen.
It was like a real live fat convention. They were noisy eating.
ooooops... hey new people. We now and then get on about waste and excess. That's part of cutting back on unnecessary stuff.... like $10.00 burgers and bottomless orders of fries.

Eastbay, the people of this great country are preparing to hibernate. That's the purpose of their flabby bodies. They will need this fat during their seasonal (generational) nap from consumption.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 26 May 2008, 23:06:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', 'M')aybe just one piece of advice; Take a look at the Amish lifestyle. You may actually learn something other than sitting in front of a monitor and posting drivel on the i-net for four years or whatever.

Many of us have. What makes you think we haven't?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', 'Y')ou guys are pretty tough on newbys huh?

Have you seen the number of newbies here lately? There has to be close to 100 threads started by newbies in the last 3 days, and none of them bothered to use the search function before asking questions that have been asked OVER 9000 times. It gets a little frustrating. I thought I was injecting some humour. If a couple of smartasses on some message board are upsetting you, you're going to have a very difficult time dealing with the future.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', 'J')ust for the record, I'm a born again Christian so I'll put my faith in God rather than a bunch of self-proclaimed prophets

You go ahead and put your faith in whatever you need to. Having some sort of a coping mechanism will help. Just try and keep it in perspective.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', 'a')nd you won't be receiving any more posts from me.

That would be a mistake. There's a lot of valuable information here. Just remember to use the search function first.

Oh, and develop a thicker skin. You'll need it, not just for this forum, but for life in general.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 26 May 2008, 23:43:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunewalker', 'I')t would be better to presume that each "newbie" is actually someone of significant importance in the outer world, passing this way for the first time. They may not presently be "experts" on the subject of peak oil, but might indeed humble us all in their own area of primary interest.

But, Dune, they must stick around to present the information regarding their expertise/their insights. Hillbilly "read all day," and it seems to me that his last post was evidence of the denial stage. Either he sticks around to find out more, or he is on his own. As has been noted elsewhere, many, many times-we can not save everybody.
I don't think anyone here is out to get the newbies. But, we also can't hold their hands, taking the chance that they MIGHT come around. They must make themselves understand internally what is happening and why.
We are here to educate. We can't do their learning for them. Don't forget, a lot of people have never developed the ability to learn anything in depth-it is all "I want it all and I want it Now."
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby dunewalker » Mon 26 May 2008, 23:59:49

Ferretlover, what I meant was that "newbies" deserve to be treated with respect rather than condescension. A gentle guiding hand is sufficient.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 27 May 2008, 00:11:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunewalker', 'F')erretlover, what I meant was that "newbies" deserve to be treated with respect rather than condescension. A gentle guiding hand is sufficient.

Ah, I see. Perhaps I was still thinking of several newbies who today showed no respect for the oldies(?). In Hillbilly's case, I think he(she?) was too shocked (in denial), and would not have responded to gentle or any other type of guidance.
It is somewhat interesting how soon and/or often people pull out the old "I am a christian, God will save ME" routine.
Let what Hillbilly said he/she read soak in for a few days. If he/she does return, I wonder if it will be in the "but. but, but" stage or the "OMG!what can we do?" stage?
I wonder what the stats would show of newbies joining, freaking out, and disappearing for a bit would be.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby gampy » Tue 27 May 2008, 02:08:50

I find the posts of the "oldies" in this thread to be amusing.

"Welcome to our little knitting circle!"
or
"Damn city folk...tramping all over mah grass!"

Lol, this forum really does resemble a little village.
Or barber shop clique.

It's kind of endearing to see real life behavior and human nature manifest itself on an internet forum.

Kind of. Just kind of.

BTW, to the original poster.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Peleg » Tue 27 May 2008, 02:30:20

These people are plenty hard on each other too. It does reveal how much some of us have invested in this forum that we feel it is our own real estate somehow. I used to have a neighbor like that. First day I moved in his wife suantered over and the first words out of her mouth was, 'We've been here seven years.' I knew it was all downhill from there, and it was.

I did mention to someone a few weeks ago that the world would discover this issue soon enough and then the forum would change. We should be glad, but I see some sitting in the corner clutching their copy of Night of the Living Dead.

If it means anything I did think that Hillbilly was not well prepared psychologically for the issue or the non-christian nature of the forum in general.

That said, don't we hope that anyone who would listen finds what they are looking for in terms of info and fellowship here (even if they do think we are false prophets)?

Oh America, America you who stoned the prophets and refused to employ those who are sent to you. How often would God have taken you under His wing as a mother hen to her chicks but you would not. So now the way is hidden to you until you bear the fruit of repentance.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 27 May 2008, 08:56:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peleg', 'T')hat said, don't we hope that anyone who would listen finds what they are looking for in terms of info and fellowship here (even if they do think we are false prophets)?

Yes. Yes, we do.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Hillbilly » Tue 27 May 2008, 11:45:14

I said that I didn't intend to post another message here, but since it's raining today and I can't work outside, I decided to tell you a story.
To say that I came from humble beginnings would be a gross understatement. I was born into an environment of self-sufficiency. We grew our vegetables, raised our beef, pork and chickens, and it was a family affair. It was all a matter of survival, but it was also the happiest time of my life. The reason for saying this is to inform you that I may be a newbie to your website but I'm anything but a newbie to life and survivorship. I believe that most, if not all of you, cannot even begin to comprehend that kind of lifestyle. That's the reason I mentioned the Amish in the previous post, because I thought some of you might be able to relate to that lifestyle, although I doubt that 1% of you could hang with them. But to continue: My family didn't own a car until I was 8 years old and then things began changing. Dad started working full time as a carpenter and while we remained fairly self-sufficient, we began living the "American Dream", i.e. new house, modern appliances, Kroger, department stores, etc.
Fast forward to four years in the Air Force (We still didn't own a t.v. when I went in the service), became a partner in Dad's construction company, married, built a new house ( one of four that I built by myself, in my spare time after work). I still maintained the self-sufficient lifestyle with the garden and livestock, and settled in to observe the evolution (demise) of America.
Now let me be the first to say that without walking in my shoes, there is no way you can understand the total difference between that time period and the present. People at that time were honorable, honest, trustworthy and took a great deal of pride in hard physical labor. Compare those values to those of today. In today's society the trick is to see how many people you can take advantage of by lying, cheating and stealing, total disrespect for others, the world owes me a living and physical work is a sin.
As I witnessed Woodstock come and go ( I am not a product of Woodstock, but rather a victim of the product, which is most of you), the demise of the American family, total lack of discipline of the children, and abortion, just to name a few. Ever since we became an independent nation, America has dealt with the hard times but has been unable to deal with prosperity. Greed (the love of money is the root of all evil) has driven most of the industry out of this nation. Just exactly how many educated eggheads can the service industry employ?
The defining statement may very well come with this presidential election. Personally I think a politian is the lowest life form on this earth and if the three remaining candidates are the best America has to offer, we are in deep, deep trouble. I personally feel like a lemming, or a dog being tossed a few crumbs. There is not one in the group capable of leading this country and not one of them cares what you or I think and yet, it amazes me to watch their supporters hoot and holler and believe every word they are saying. Lemmings!
But, to get back on track, I have seen the demise of America coming since 1970, and I really thought it would happen before now. This belief is what led me to PO, but so far, I am terribly unhappy with the results. Some of the responses to my first post were insulting and belittleing and obviously came from foul mouthed rednecks, with whom I have no desire to communicate and whose comments are of absolutely no value. I am not a geek or a nerd and I did not find what I was looking for on the website. My bad, but I've been running from that bear for over 64 years and he hasn't caught me yet.
As for you survivalists, the first part of this message was for you. I have probably forgotten more about survival than you will ever know. In addition to that I can assure you that I have eaten more venison, bear, turkey, squirrel, rabbit, grouse and home grown vegetables than you will see in your lifetime.
To end this on a happy note, I retired in 2001 at the age of 57, as a very successful building contractor, with a lifetime income.
As a P.S. I would add that my Christianity is not a crutch. As far as I am concerned the bible lays out exactly what is coming, and it's not pretty for unbelievers. It states that 2/3 of the earth's population ( currently about 4 billion) will be destroyed. Personally, I expect to be with the Lord when that happens and I sympathize with you who are left behind. Those days of tribulation will be as none have ever been or ever shall be again. Are you reading the right book? Are you ready?
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 27 May 2008, 14:21:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', ' ')The reason for saying this is to inform you that I may be a newbie to your website but I'm anything but a newbie to life and survivorship. I believe that most, if not all of you, cannot even begin to comprehend that kind of lifestyle. ... Now let me be the first to say that without walking in my shoes, there is no way you can understand the total difference between that time period and the present.

My goodness! You certainly do Assume a lot, don't you?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') still maintained the self-sufficient lifestyle with the garden and livestock, and settled in to observe the evolution (demise) of America.

Maybe you should have spent more time to change things instead of watching the world go by.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') witnessed Woodstock come and go ( I am not a product of Woodstock, but rather a victim of the product, which is most of you),

And just what makes you think that is true?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome of the responses to my first post were insulting and belittleing and obviously came from foul mouthed rednecks,

Oh, dear! You haven't scratched the surface! :lol:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')ith whom I have no desire to communicate
Yet.... Here you are again!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') did not find what I was looking for on the website.
You are not used to having your thoughts or statements questioned, are you?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s for you survivalists, the first part of this message was for you. I have probably forgotten more about survival than you will ever know.
Prove it.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s a P.S. I would add that my Christianity is not a crutch. Are you ready?
HHHmmm... Never have I seen a clearer case of Pride Going Before A Fall. Not only are you in denial, I doubt you will realize that fact because it is so heavily smothered in self-conceit and self-righteousness.
It is probably best you move along-find someplace that is more to your liking. Have a nice day. :)
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Tue 27 May 2008, 18:03:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', 'G')lobal warfare? Annihilation? I would love to see your comments.

Umm, take a moment to consider Iraq. What do you think that is about?


without getting into a debate about exactly what happened on 9-11, we could consider the official explanation. 19 Muslim hijackers remote controlled by Osama bin Laden (people use the acronym OBL).

what was OBL's beef with the US ? he didn't, or doesn't, like having US troops stationed on his homeland. (is his homeland Saudi Arabia ?) US troops were positioned on Saudi Arabian soil for Iraq War 1.

so i think we could safely say both 9-11 and the second Iraq War were related to oil, without getting into the acrimonious debate about 9-11 found in some other threads.

ommm. what was the question again ?
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby gampy » Tue 27 May 2008, 22:54:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', 'I') said that I didn't intend to post another message here, but since it's raining today and I can't work outside, I decided to tell you a story.
To say that I came from humble beginnings would be a gross understatement. I was born into an environment of self-sufficiency. We grew our vege..............

Sorry, that was as far as I got before my eyes glazed over with tedium.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')I said that I didn't intend to post another message here, but since I can't bring myself to shut the fuck up, and I have a chip on my shoulder, I wanted to have the last word."

Fixed that sentence for ya.

Your welcome.

Lol.

Oh noes...this guy is going to be around for quite some time.

You just can't stay away once people give you the shit end of the stick on a message board.

Welcome! But please keep the proselytizing to a minimum.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Wed 28 May 2008, 01:06:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', 'Y')ou guys are pretty tough on newbys huh? Just wanted to say thanks for the links. Just for the record, I'm a born again Christian so I'll put my faith in God rather than a bunch of self-proclaimed prophets and you won't be receiving any more posts from me. Maybe just one piece of advice; Take a look at the Amish lifestyle. You may actually learn something other than sitting in front of a monitor and posting drivel on the i-net for four years or whatever.

Good riddance. This forum already has way too many bible-thumpers around here posting their arrogant self-righteous crap, so it's not like you'll be missed or anything. So go do what you do best... pray to Jesus and shut the hell up. Like I really give a shit whether or not you are a Christian.

Also, it's funny how this clown talks about others posting drivel, yet his last post was so Goddamn long. He basically wrote an autobiography, ie " I grew up poor boo hoo", "woodstock is evil boohoo", ""god will save me boohoo"... he needs to get to the point already. He's probably one of those people who goes on and on and on, then when other people try to talk, he interrupts and tells them they talk too much. And he thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a "damn dirty hippy" who went to woodstock.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Hillbilly » Wed 28 May 2008, 09:55:45

I see complaints that this movement is having trouble gaining recognition, support and credibility from the public. Riiiiight!

This site should be renamed " Forum For The Degenerants Of America"

Fill up your 5 gallon buckets full of rice and beans boys and girls but they won't take you very far into eternity. What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul?

And I've been accused of being in denial.
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Re: Question From A New User

Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 28 May 2008, 11:06:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hillbilly', 'T')his site should be renamed " Forum For The Degenerants Of America"


:shock: Now he's calling us names!! [smilie=crybaby2.gif]

Just can't stay away, can you? ... Like a moth to a flame! :lol: Guess this makes you a degenerant, too.
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