$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', ' ') It is certainly true people and groups conspire to shape world affairs, but nobody is in control. Rarely do things go as planned, you give them far too much credit.
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Re: oil prices and the shadow government the real reason
by sjn » Mon 26 May 2008, 12:59:07
Actually your view is overly simple. There are only a few ruling families, in the world, relatively speaking. Their spheres of influence, commercial ventures, and social networks overlap, at times and converge at other times --and compete, less often.
There are occasions when the majority of these groups and people you allude to, cooperate. It's like crime families. That is pretty much all you have to know. The old money elite operate like the Gambinos. The new elite are basically organized thugs with MBA's. Think a young guy making over a billion bucks a year as a hedge fun operator is on the straight and narrow? Anyone who dismisses the comparisons between the ruling class and rival crime families, and how they operate, simply misses the point and will always struggle to develop a proper model of social/economic reality.
) can have control over anything. It simply isn't true, although it can appear that way for a while. The more power you have, the more you can delude others and yourself.-
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Re: oil prices and the shadow government the real reason
by mmasters » Mon 26 May 2008, 14:10:13
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlCzervik', 'T')he funny thing is, the foremost author on Bilderberg (Daniel Estulin) believes in peak oil and reports that at a recent meeting, Bilderbergers are trying to figure out how to deal with it.
They've worked for a long time to pin us in a corner with regards to oil and and energy independance. There always are tactical matters to address but the overall strategic vision has been around for a long time. For them it's all about increasing power, control and dependance. Enron was a small scale test version of their solution to peak oil. Basically they will cause peak oil to happen prematurely through manipulation of the markets. This way they can control the demand destruction and other aspects of peak oil before mother nature does...all while profiting off of it at the same time.
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Re: oil prices and the shadow government the real reason
by threadbear » Mon 26 May 2008, 14:37:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlCzervik', 'T')he funny thing is, the foremost author on Bilderberg (Daniel Estulin) believes in peak oil and reports that at a recent meeting, Bilderbergers are trying to figure out how to deal with it.
They've worked for a long time to pin us in a corner with regards to oil and and energy independance. There always are tactical matters to address but the overall strategic vision has been around for a long time. For them it's all about increasing power, control and dependance. Enron was a small scale test version of their solution to peak oil. Basically they will cause peak oil to happen prematurely through manipulation of the markets. This way they can control the demand destruction and other aspects of peak oil before mother nature does...all while profiting off of it at the same time.
I think in this case, core elements are part of a pre-planned conspiracy between just a few players. Organized opportunism of hedge fund operators, pension funds, etc...help buttress the core plan. Enron provides a perfect example of how it works. The key here is the financial institutions are making money coming and going with their energy trading. As well as playing the OTC futures markets, like Goldman Sachs (they predicted 200.00 oil, and most people didn't bat an eye at the clear conflict of interest) they receive a lot of money from Saudi oil producers, that they depend on, in part, to keep them solvent after the sub-prime mess.
So, Enron was child's play compared to the growing dependance of pension funds, banks, private equity, on the energy sector, but it provides a really good model for understanding the essential piracy of the oil sector by outside interests.
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