[burtonridr]

Today is a proud day, I have openly argued with two people that don't believe what is going on and convinced them both that their assumption of unlimited oil is un-true.

Its incredible how much leverage the media has over people...

I would have never been able to convince them about this a few months ago....

One guy is still in denial, he is one of the people that believes technology and new oil discoveries are going to save us! HAHA

The other has realized what is going on, he is from Russia, so he knows first hand what happens.

Crazy day.... Crazy week....

[edit - moved topic from Peak Oil Discussion Forum to Psychology Forum - markl]

[joeltrout]

Congrats.

Less preps for the rest of us..... times 2.

Just kidding. I wish more people would listen.

joeltrout

[burtonridr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', 'C')ongrats.
Less preps for the rest of us..... times 2.
Just kidding. I wish more people would listen.
joeltrout

[joeltrout]

I agree many people are getting worried whether it is specifically peak oil or just economic problems in general.

I order some Mountain House #10 cans last week and they are on standby because so many orders are being placed and they cannot keep up with demand.

joeltrout

[BigTex]

When it comes to telling others, remember, that's not your job.

You are not responsible for anyone else educating themselves about this issue.

This is an important point to remember because you can waste a lof of energy trying to make someone believe something that they are simply not ready to believe. If you are spending any amount of your own energy on such things, ask yourself who made you the Paul Revere of peak oil.

I have learned this myself through repeated attempts to communicate this important issue to others with limited success. One day I realized that what I was trying to do was simply not my responsibility, and in some cases it was actually a little rude to attempt to burst someone's happy bubble with an ugly reality that they didn't ask for me to tell them about.

There is a real art to reducing frustration in your life, and this is one way of doing it, I believe.

Just something to think about.

[Windmills]

I think you have to strike a balance between making a reasonable attempt to educate others and wasting too much of your time and sanity. I try not to push to hard. I prefer to take a slower, relaxed approach and just plant the seeds of doubt in others' minds. It takes longer, but I'll usually win over more people with many small bits of information spaced out over a longer time than I do by trying to force feed them cow-sized portions all at once.

I do believe it is important to educate people. The changes that are happening are going to be frightening and confusing for many people. There will be many in the government and positions of power that will try to capitalize on ignorance and the fear it breeds in order to achieve their own selfish ends. The more people know, the less likely they are to fall for propaganda campaigns and manipulations. I think if people are better informed, we're less likely to see the types of riots, violence, unrest, and irrational responses to peak oil. All one's preparation could be for nothing if you're surrounded by a neighborhood of desperate people who were left in the dark.

[hironegro]

waste of time, meet the new meme

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2bf_1211571721&p=1

[catbox]

I mentioned on another thread that I will continue my prep in silence...but with oil hitting 135 then retreating a bit yesterday, our book keeper was telling everyone that things will get better with the housing market and there is endless oil...they just need to pump it quicker....I could not hold my words anymore......jeeeeez that lasted a week!

I, as most of us have, gave a PO run-down plus some housing blurbs and shut everyone up. I hate sounding like a preacher but I couldn't stay quiet. I'll try and keep it to myself...really try this time!

catbox

[Don35]

I talked to three friends yesterday. I asked first if I had their permission to frighten them. They listened, seemed to understand and agree. One asked "what can I do in a suburb". That one I didn't answer!

It's tough even when they listen!

[Micki]

burtonridr, thats a success rate of 50%. No shabby at all.

And don't listen so much to BigTex. It is everybodys responsibility to do what they believe is right.
If you believe it is right to try to save a drowning person, you do so. You don't go thinking, I should try to save the person but ..naeh it's not my job.
But as BigTex also said, you can't save them all. So avoid burning yourself out.

[hironegro]

The responses I've gotten are "what i can do about it?" or "We have 800 billions of non-convention oil, 1 trillion cubic feet of shale oil. Environmentalists and LIEberals our stopping us from from extract those resources."

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'b')urtonridr, thats a success rate of 50%. No shabby at all.

And don't listen so much to BigTex. It is everybodys responsibility to do what they believe is right.
If you believe it is right to try to save a drowning person, you do so. You don't go thinking, I should try to save the person but ..naeh it's not my job.
But as BigTex also said, you can't save them all. So avoid burning yourself out.

[Jenab6]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', 'T')oday is a proud day, I have openly argued with two people that don't believe what is going on and convinced them both that their assumption of unlimited oil is un-true.

Its incredible how much leverage the media has over people...

[cynthia]

Today while visiting my 75 year old parents, my father once again told me how our government sealed up all the (not completely tapped) oil wells in California way back when and have been sitting on this "gold mine" because we could get so much oil from Saudi Arabia.
I just don't know what to say to him. We were having a pleasant visit and frankly I was there to monitor my mother's alarming lack of short term memory.
Many of my friends grasp the potential ramifications of a peak oil world, but to talk about it is more than most can handle.
Thank goodness for my PO.com Homies.
cynthia

[Schadenfreude]

http://www.mytalk.com.au/Stations/Talk/ ... fault.aspx

Ken Deffeyes seems to be saying that PO will usher in about a ten year period of tough times before alternatives, unconventional oil and conservation establish a new energy equilibrium.

[Micki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's more than that, Micki. Your comparison with saving drowning people is not complete. You must also suppose that prepped people were sharing a lifeboat, which is not able to carry the weight of all the drowning people. If the do-gooders among us pull too many of them into the boat, the boat goes down, and we will die too. This is overshoot, and that means we're in a leaky little lifeboat, not on a dock on the shore of Paradise.

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'W')hen it comes to telling others, remember, that's not your job.
You are not responsible for anyone else educating themselves about this issue.
This is an important point to remember because you can waste a lof of energy trying to make someone believe something that they are simply not ready to believe. If you are spending any amount of your own energy on such things, ask yourself who made you the Paul Revere of peak oil.
I have learned this myself through repeated attempts to communicate this important issue to others with limited success. One day I realized that what I was trying to do was simply not my responsibility, and in some cases it was actually a little rude to attempt to burst someone's happy bubble with an ugly reality that they didn't ask for me to tell them about.
There is a real art to reducing frustration in your life, and this is one way of doing it, I believe.
Just something to think about.

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Windmills', 'I') think you have to strike a balance between making a reasonable attempt to educate others and wasting too much of your time and sanity. I try not to push to hard. I prefer to take a slower, relaxed approach and just plant the seeds of doubt in others' minds. It takes longer, but I'll usually win over more people with many small bits of information spaced out over a longer time than I do by trying to force feed them cow-sized portions all at once.
I do believe it is important to educate people. The changes that are happening are going to be frightening and confusing for many people. There will be many in the government and positions of power that will try to capitalize on ignorance and the fear it breeds in order to achieve their own selfish ends. The more people know, the less likely they are to fall for propaganda campaigns and manipulations. I think if people are better informed, we're less likely to see the types of riots, violence, unrest, and irrational responses to peak oil. All one's preparation could be for nothing if you're surrounded by a neighborhood of desperate people who were left in the dark.

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('catbox', 'I') mentioned on another thread that I will continue my prep in silence...but with oil hitting 135 then retreating a bit yesterday, our book keeper was telling everyone that things will get better with the housing market and there is endless oil...they just need to pump it quicker....I could not hold my words anymore......jeeeeez that lasted a week!
I, as most of us have, gave a PO run-down plus some housing blurbs and shut everyone up. I hate sounding like a preacher but I couldn't stay quiet. I'll try and keep it to myself...really try this time!
catbox

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'b')urtonridr, thats a success rate of 50%. No shabby at all.
And don't listen so much to BigTex. It is everybodys responsibility to do what they believe is right.
If you believe it is right to try to save a drowning person, you do so. You don't go thinking, I should try to save the person but ..naeh it's not my job.
But as BigTex also said, you can't save them all. So avoid burning yourself out.