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Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby Arsenal » Mon 19 May 2008, 10:29:15

Ouch!!!!

$5.09 in Greenwich, CT

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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 19 May 2008, 10:31:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'T')his time next year we are going be posting about $6.00 diesel and $5.00 gas and long for the current prices


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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby Roy » Mon 19 May 2008, 15:40:55

$4.45 for diesel and holding here.

The filling station that I use most, has just installed a digital price sign in lieu of the old-fashioned type like the one pictured above, from Greenwich CT.

That is a bad sign... pardon the pun. It also appears to have two spots to the left of the decimal point. Very bad sign.
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby no_name » Wed 21 May 2008, 06:58:24

$8.05/gallon in ireland

(if my calculation is correct)

E1.35/litre x1.573 ( E-$ exchange rate) x 3.78 (litres - gallons conversion)
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby Tuike » Wed 21 May 2008, 15:20:09

Heating oil future over 3.90
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby lawnchair » Thu 22 May 2008, 10:17:46

Front month heating oil trading north of $4 for the first time this morning. Actually $4.015.

That was fast.
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 22 May 2008, 14:15:18

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Costa Mesa, California, this morning.

This is the first time I've seen anything over five bucks.
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Fri 23 May 2008, 11:37:16

4.89 is Kansas City area. A bit under that depending where you go of course.

I filled up 1 or 2 days ago at 4.69.
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby Peleg » Fri 23 May 2008, 14:15:50

The EU is sitting pretty well right now. They're barrel/gdp dollar is very low compared to us. Alot of those countries do not need to increase oil supply to grow GDP (see Tertzakian.) China, India and the US rely heavily on increased consumption of oil to fuel GDP growth.

It will not take until next year, the super spike is going to be clearly manifest in just a few months (IMHO.) $225 and then a drop off to band trading with a mean in the $150-$160 range. At which point the American economy will be shedding jobs like crazy. Demand destrcution will either over correct and leave us less able to mitigate peak oil or it will chase supply as it slides down the other side of the peak. My guess is the second, that people will be reluctant to let go of the privileges of oil and so demand destruction will lag supply shortfalls all the way down. This is almost guaranteed if supply falls quick enough.

And yet with all this going in the American consumer is still not ready to wake up and make the necessary changes to save their own lives.
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby frankthetank » Fri 23 May 2008, 17:56:52

Diesel at $4.76 !!! This is nuts. I'd still take a diesel Jetta, but even with the mpg savings, your really not saving much if any. These guys that drive around in their big diesel powered trucks must be freaking out every time they fill up.
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 23 May 2008, 18:27:57

There doesn't appear to be any letup in worldwide diesel demand. China is said to have recently increased diesel imports further, and there are diesel shortages reported this week in Yemen and a few other smaller countries (in addition to those below).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '5')/12/08 Diesel Fuel News (Pg. Unavail. Online)

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Copyright 2008 Hart Energy Publishing, LP.


World Power Supply Crunch Aggravates Diesel Shortage:

According to a Reuters report, rising electricity demand, aging power infrastructure and fuel shortages in developing countries are boosting global demand for diesel factors that could keep supplies tight and prices strong for another couple of years. The report cited a boom in use of diesel for electric generators in parts of Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America. The report also cited shortages of natural gas in Chile and Argentina, a power crunch in South Africa, along with rising fuel demand in China and the Middle East as explaining the distillate boom piling on top of already robust diesel use in Europe for automobiles.


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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Fri 23 May 2008, 23:03:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'D')iesel at $4.76 !!! This is nuts. I'd still take a diesel Jetta, but even with the mpg savings, your really not saving much if any. These guys that drive around in their big diesel powered trucks must be freaking out every time they fill up.


$2 a gallon for gas wasnt too bad of a price.

If you consider 15 MPG with an SUV vs 45 MPG for my Jetta...

You need 3 gallons of gas to go as far as 1 gallon of diesel will get me. Even in a decent car getting 23 you still need roughly 2 gallons of gas to get as far as I get on 1 gallon of diesel.

This means its STILL cheaper to drive a Jetta TDI today then it was to drive an SUV 3 years ago or so.

While I certainly dont care for the price of diesel, its about what it cost me to drive my Expedition back "in the good old days".
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby dukey » Sat 24 May 2008, 21:26:02

diesel is now $9.88 per gallon here (uk)
no demand destruction yet
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby Twilight » Mon 26 May 2008, 19:21:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'd')iesel is now $9.88 per gallon here (uk)
no demand destruction yet

Though it has just entered political debate. It turns out demand destruction takes place at the margins. Who would have thought it? :roll:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BBC', '[')b]Poorer drivers 'hit hard' by tax

The Labour MPs say poorer motorists will suffer most from plans to increase road taxes on more polluting cars.

Rob Marris, MP for Wolverhampton South West, said: "Millions of people will be affected. Medium-sized family cars, depending on what sort of engine they have and what sort of emissions they have, could be hit very hard."

Labour MP Ronnie Campbell, who framed the MPs' motion, told the BBC: "The increase is unfair to people who bought their cars a year ago, not knowing that the government was going to put that road tax on."

Absurd.

Someone will have to use less. We are all market participants and through our collective behaviour we ration supplies according to means. You can be sure if a bureaucrat promises a more equitable way of doing it, they will pocket a fee at everyone else's expense.

Besides, cutting back on non-essential motoring puts money in poor people's pockets. This is the UK, not the US, no-one has to drive 50 miles to mop a floor.

I like the environmental packaging used to sweeten the pill though.

More on the same, nice graph showing diesel price decoupling from petrol and reaching for the heavens.
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 26 May 2008, 19:38:48

$4.79 in Michigan.

This is death for the independent truckers, they are now losing money hand over fist.
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 27 May 2008, 12:01:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'D')iesel at $4.76 !!! This is nuts. I'd still take a diesel Jetta, but even with the mpg savings, your really not saving much if any. These guys that drive around in their big diesel powered trucks must be freaking out every time they fill up.

This means its STILL cheaper to drive a Jetta TDI today then it was to drive an SUV 3 years ago or so.


Yep, I drove 1300 miles over the weekend, from Texas up to Iowa and back. I averaged 41 MPG (w/DSG) - Not bad, but many Jetta owners get more than that.

I'm somewhat of a leadfoot. 8)

Price parity with my V6 4Runner would indicate diesel being north of $6/gallon, with gasoline staying around $3.50 (INO, not gonna happen).
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 27 May 2008, 13:45:07

Were you storm chasing??? Do you have a 5 speed? Must have been doing about 90...
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 27 May 2008, 14:01:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'W')ere you storm chasing??? Do you have a 5 speed? Must have been doing about 90...


Nah, usually 77-80 MPH, some 83-85 mixed in, 22 bowling balls in the trunk, you know, the usual. 8)

I've never broken 41 MPG with the car, and this is with 45k miles on the engine. It appears that I've gotten one of the "lesser" efficient engines, probably assembled on the Friday before Cinco de Mayo down in Puebla at the VW plant.

It is a 6-sp automatic (dual-clutch DSG - fantastic tranny).
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 27 May 2008, 14:39:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'W')ere you storm chasing??? Do you have a 5 speed? Must have been doing about 90...


Nah, usually 77-80 MPH, some 83-85 mixed in, 22 bowling balls in the trunk, you know, the usual. 8)

I've never broken 41 MPG with the car, and this is with 45k miles on the engine. It appears that I've gotten one of the "lesser" efficient engines, probably assembled on the Friday before Cinco de Mayo down in Puebla at the VW plant.

It is a 6-sp automatic (dual-clutch DSG - fantastic tranny).


Sounds about like my setup. I have the slap shift too, and generally run around 75-85. Seems to get just under 40 at that rate. Worst I've gotten was 33 but I was movin. You gotta hit triple digits to get milage that bad. Best I've gotten was 42 around town.
Sure wish I would have gotten the manual but the wife wasnt having that so....
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Re: Record Diesel engine fuels price thread.

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 27 May 2008, 15:20:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'W')ere you storm chasing??? Do you have a 5 speed? Must have been doing about 90...


Nah, usually 77-80 MPH, some 83-85 mixed in, 22 bowling balls in the trunk, you know, the usual. 8)

I've never broken 41 MPG with the car, and this is with 45k miles on the engine. It appears that I've gotten one of the "lesser" efficient engines, probably assembled on the Friday before Cinco de Mayo down in Puebla at the VW plant.

It is a 6-sp automatic (dual-clutch DSG - fantastic tranny).


Sounds about like my setup. I have the slap shift too, and generally run around 75-85. Seems to get just under 40 at that rate. Worst I've gotten was 33 but I was movin. You gotta hit triple digits to get milage that bad. Best I've gotten was 42 around town.
Sure wish I would have gotten the manual but the wife wasnt having that so....


Yeah, I'm not having regrets with the DSG, but it is fantastically expensive to maintain (full flush every 40k, per manual). VW dealers seem to want about $500 for that service alone. 8O Thankfully, there's an awesome VW mechanic over in Ft Worth who did the job for a little over half that.

As for crappy mileage, I've had one tank at 29 MPG, in the city, jackrabbit starts, in the dead of winter. I probably average 34-36 in the city now, though.
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