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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 15 May 2008, 14:15:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ctually, stage 1 is usually denial. This sounds more like...stage 3 (bargaining) or something.

My bad, I guess I skipped a couple of stages and went straight to preparation. :lol: I'm glad, kernull looks like he is gonna pop! (bad popcorn joke, I know)
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby allenwrench » Tue 20 May 2008, 20:12:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kernull', '.').. few give precise solutions. ?

There are no precise solutions.

We can only make the best out of a bad situation.

We have built our world on steroids called crude oil
Now our drug is being shut down. So it is time to go back to a drug free life.

I am a transplant from L.A., lived there 35 years and moved in 1989 to the NE US to 'city-country' as opposed to 'city-city'. I had a big shock the first time the electric went off for more than 5 minutes in my new local. That was the day I learned about self sufficiency about 17 years ago.

Bought some candles and a flashlight and went on from there. But that only clued me into 'short term survival' with my preparedness aimed at 4 to 6 weeks.

Then came 'peak oil' ' peak NG' 'peak food' 'peak water' 'overpopulation' and had my eyes opened to long term, indefinite survival. That was Oct '07 and have been working at restructuring my life almost full time ever since.

Here are some resources that have helped me out. Decide what you want your post carbon life to look like and get to work transferring it the best you can

Book and DVD list:

The Alcohol Fuel Handbook / by Lynn Ellen Doxon.

Art of Nothing
An excellent series of DVD's showcasing primitive skills:
http://www.hopspress.com/Videos/Art_of_Nothing.htm

Barnyard In Your Backyard edited by Gail Damerow

Basic Essentials. Edible Wild Plants & Useful Herbs by Jim Meuninck

Beyond Civilization: humanity's next great adventure by Daniel Quinn

Beyond Oil: the view from Hubbert's Peak by Deffeyes, Kenneth S.
http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/

The Biodiesel Handbook by Gerhard Knothe

Bowling Alone: the collapse and revival of American community by Robert D. Putnam

The Bread Builders:hearth loaves and masonry ovens by Daniel Wing Daniel

Breathe No Evil Safe-Tek Publishers

Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook. by Michael Halsey Brown

Build a Root Cellar & Storm Shelter by Phyllis Hobson

Bushcraft by Mors Kochanski
Great reference on primitive wood skills.

The Can Opener Gourmet by Laura Karr

The Citizen-Powered Energy Handbook: community solutions to a global crisis by Greg Pahl
http://www.chelseagreen.com/2007/items/citizenpowered

Collapse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_(book

The Coming Economic Collapse - how you can thrive when oil costs $200 a barrel by Stephen Leeb

The Complete Book of Dutch Oven Cooking by J. Wayne Fears

The Complete Book of Fire: building campfires for warmth, light, cooking, and survival
by Tilton, Buck

The Complete Book of Survival
by Stahlberg, Rainer
An outstanding all encompassing guide to the philosophy of surviving - Highly Recommended.

The Complete Guide to Edible Wild Plants
by Lyle, Katie Letcher

Country Wisdom & Know-how
Numerous authors and publishers...all contain worthwhile information.
http://www.amazon.com/Country-Wisdom-Kn ... 1579123686

Crossing the Rubicon: the decline of the American empire at the end of the age of oil by Michael C. Ruppert

A Crude Awakening - the oil crash
Lava Productions AG, Switzerland DVD
http://www.oilcrashmovie.com/

Dancing at Armageddon: Survivalism and Chaos in Modern Times by Richard G. Mitchell Jr

Edible Wild plants by James Meuninck

Edible Wild Plants of Pennsylvania and Neighboring states by Richard J. Medve

Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West Gregory L. Tilford
http://www.amazon.com/Edible-Medicinal- ... 0878423591

Emergency Preparedness. Awareness & Survival
DVD Apogee Communication, 2006 - Highly Recommended.
http://www.apogeevideo.com/emergency/emergency.htm

The End of Suburbia - oil depletion and the collapse of the American dream by Gregory Greene DVD
Don't miss the commentary. Lots of Canadian prejudice against the US as well as snobbery, but very worthwhile behind the scene info.
http://www.endofsuburbia.com/

Farming for Self-sufficiency by John and Sally Seymour

Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants of Eastern and Central North America by Lee Peterson

First Aid for Dogs.
Various authors under related titles...First Aid for Cats...Horses...Pets....even Insects!

Four-Season Harvest:organic vegetables from your home garden all year long. by Eliot Coleman

Going Local: creating self-reliant communities in a global age
by Shuman, Michael

Grit Magazine http://www.grit.com/

Guns and Ammo Magazine

High Noon for Natural Gas: the new energy crisis by Julian Darley
http://www.highnoon.ws/

House on a Budget:making smart choices to build the home you want. by Duo Dickinson

How to Dry Foods by Deanna DeLong

Life after Doomsday by Bruce D. Clayton

The Long Emergency: surviving the converging catastrophes of the twenty-first century by James Howard Kunstler

Magic of Wheat Cookery by Lorraine Dilworth Tyler

Making Your Own Motor Fuel by Fred Stetson

Master list of survival books:
http://www.survivalcenter.com/bookbs.html

Mother Earth Magazine
Al back issues available on CD ROM for nominal cost from:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/

Natural Home Heating: the complete guide to renewable energy options by Greg Pahl

Nutrition and well-being A to Z Delores C.S. James editor

Oil Apocalypse History channel DVD

The Oil Depletion Protocol : a plan to avert oil wars, terrorism and economic collapse by Richard Heinberg

The Omnivore's Dilemma
www.michaelpollan.com/omnivore.php

Pantry Cooking : quick and easy food storage recipes by Laura Robins

PDR for Herbal Medicines by Medical Economics

Peak Oil Survival: preparation for life after gridcrash by Aric McBay

Powerdown: options and actions for a post-carbon world by Richard Heinberg

Primitive Living, Self-sufficiency, and Survival Skills : a field guide to primitive living skills by Thomas J. Elpel

The Renewable Energy Handbook:a guide to rural independence, off-grid and sustainable living by William H. Kemp

Resource Wars: the new landscape of global conflict by Michael T Klare
http://www.amazon.com/Resource-Wars-Lan ... 0805055762

Root Cellaring : the simple no-processing way to store fruits and vegetables by Bubel, Nancy./Bubel, Mike

Seed to Seed: seed saving techniques for the vegetable gardener
by Suzanne Ashworth

Shelters, Shacks, and shanties: the classic guide to building wilderness shelters by Daniel Carter Beard

A Thousand Barrels a Second: the coming oil break point and the challenges facing an energy dependent world by TPeter ertzakian

Twilight in the Desert: the coming Saudi oil shock and the World Economy by Matthew R. Simmons
Well written book examining 12 of the key Saudi oil fields.

U.S. Army combat skills handbook / Department of the Army.
Lyon's Press

Who Killed the Electric Car?
Sony Pictures Classics release
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/

Zips, Pipes, And Pens: Arsenal Of Improvised Weapons by J. David Truby

Zoom:the global race to fuel the Car of the Future by Iain Carson and Vijay V. Vaitheeswaran.
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby allenwrench » Tue 20 May 2008, 20:14:25

Gold?

Gold is good for those worried about inflation hedges. But it all revolves around our world not crumbling too much, as gold can be near worthless as you mentioned.

Let me tell you people in need don't want gold they want water, food and shelter and warm, dry clothes.

Try cig lighters, seeds, 22 ammo, matches, sewing needles, soap, etc., for barter.

You know sewing needles, fishhooks and 22 LR can't be made easily at home.

22 LR may be the small change currency of our future...not bars of gold and silver.

What you going to buy anyway when TEOTWAK arrives?

We go through tons of seeds in a year and they would make good barter items and we get em for free in our food. Especially the high seeds yielding squashes and melons seeds.

Another for 'free area' of barter goods is the disposable plastic bottles we drink from. Our family goes though 20 - 25 bottles a week. They can be saved if one has the room (which we don't) and used for barter if need be. (People will need empty bottles.)

If gold makes you feel good then go for it.

.."In a shipwreck, one of the passengers fastened a belt about him with one hundred pounds of gold in it, with which he was afterwards found at the bottom. Now, as he was sinking--had he the gold? Or had the gold him?" ~ Ruskin
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 20 May 2008, 20:45:23

Just to add some commentary...

After catching your breath and slowing down so that you can act purposefully rather than like a nutball.....

Examine your current situation from the point of view of calmly extending the amount of time you could keep yourself and family up and lively without modern conveniences like stores, power, tap water, fuel, engines. It'll feel like hurricane/earthquake prep to start with.

If you can get yourself into a condition where you could go 2-3 weeks in relative comfort (ie, not starving, or dieing of dehydration) then you are well ahead of the curve and can ask the question, "if I am to be without grocery stores, electricity, fuel, and tap water for a year, where do Kin and Me want or need to be?" The answer to that question can give you an idea of what to do next.

Oh. And at least for the near term... No talking about PO with relatives. They will designate you Family Crazy #382; which will remain your name for the remainder of eternity.
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And so shall we remain; Until the end.
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby truecougarblue » Tue 20 May 2008, 21:45:56

My $.02.

As an aside to your question, let's assume that you worst case will not be realized, but that we will instead face an ever mounting wall of cost increases in everything we consume.

There is one action above all others that will help mitigate that situation. Buy and store consumables. There isn't anything that I've purchased and stored in the last 3 years that hasn't kept pace with inflation.

I agree with Pops that a pantry is of paramount concern. Go out today and buy a huge box of granola bars and 3 jars of peanut butter.
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby jlw61 » Tue 20 May 2008, 22:45:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kernull', 'F')reaking? Yoga?? What the heck!!!
Are you guys watching oil prices???
I thought it will do a correction to 80... NO WAY!
I thought it will do a correction to 115 after hitting 127 ... NO WAY!
It is not going down! And do you know what is going to happen when it crosses 150 level? A huge spike to 200! Thhaaaats when you will see the panic. Thaaats when you will see all the yoga teachers in the supermarket buying food. And thats when oil is goning to stay at 170-180, but no less.

Yep, definitely the Dr Smith reaction:
When in danger
when in doubt
run in circles
yell and shout.

Look, we're all really glad you see the light, but you're not telling us anything that anyone here has not already considered as a possibility. Yeah, time could be very short, but we're mostly prepped to the best of our ability and most of us have Plans B, C and D figured out. Some of us, perhaps more than a few, are more in the "two or more years" rather than the "six months" before TSHTF (The Sh*t Hits The Fan) category.

YOU need to take a breath, do what has been suggested, and start reading and planning. Let's say you're right and you've we've only got 6 months before the giant sucking sound is coming from your car's gas tank. Use the next few weeks familiarizing yourself with the PO reading list given in the above replies and start getting ready.

I don't know your situation, but perhaps you have six kids and are unemployed. The only thing that has changed is that now you have a clue as to why things are happening the way they are. That puts you way ahead of the guy who is employed, no kids and has no clue.

Learn to grow food is great advice and you are either in or about to be in prime planting time. DO NOT go out and buy $5,000 worth of gardening supplies, fertilizers and equipment. Your first crop will suck. This is my first year and I don't have a back yard suitable for growing, so I bought a dozen 5 gallon sized pots and am learning the hard way. Total cost about $300 this spring and I could have done it for less if I had read a little more first. My advice is to go buy a few tomato plants. Next plant some lettuce and radishes, beans and cucumbers from seed. And go here and buy the book. This is your project starting this fall.

Start figuring out what you eat. You may need to change your diet. Learning to make your own bread is a skill that you won't regret (even if it's in a bread machine). Learn to cook dishes based on canned items. Learn about nutrition. This is a long term item and is not a do-or-die today thing.

Stock up on 2 months supplies. Eat only from that stock for a month. Figure out what you did wrong, because you're going to screw it up even if you do read a bunch first (though not as badly as if you didn't).

Get fit. If you've got a belly, lose it. If you don't have a bicycle, think seriously about getting one. Walk a lot.

But if you've got money to burn and absolutely have to do something today, go here and spend away on freeze dried food and cool supplies. They've got decent prices and great shipping prices. Just stay away from the MRE's (more on that in the forums). Just remember we told you to read before you go buying a bunch of stuff.

Finally, get a hold of yourself as the world isn't ending tomorrow. Go out with some buddies this weekend and grab a few adult beverages and a pizza. Watch a movie. You have to do these things because your mind has to take time to work through what you're learning.

And above all... DON'T PREACH ABOUT PEAK OIL.

One final note... keep your mouth shut about your preps!
When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby Ayoob » Wed 21 May 2008, 02:44:01

Got any guns?

If you haven't done anything to prepare yet, you're probably too late. You're better off doing your part to decrease the world's population.
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby SpringCreekFarm » Wed 21 May 2008, 10:48:06

Tex is right. Yoga is a great way to unwind and get your mental focus back. Give it a try.
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 21 May 2008, 11:50:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', 'T')ex is right. Yoga is a great way to unwind and get your mental focus back. Give it a try.


Yes. I wasn't kidding at all.

Clear and calm thinking is critical. Remember why the Samurai became so interested in Zen Buddhism--it gave them an advantage in combat by being able to think clearly and calmly in times of extreme stress.
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby Jenab6 » Wed 21 May 2008, 23:24:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'C')ool down as Joel suggested, have a beer and watch something stupid on the Tube of you choice.


Here are a couple to get you started:

This is the opening segment to The Six Million Dollar Man and The Bionic Woman

Here is The Six Million Dollar Man Battling Sasquatch

I always wondered why he was the SIX MILLION dollar man, instead of five million or seven million.

Global famine, the apocalypse, intercontinental wars, 90% of humanity starving. Pass the hot buttered popcorn, please. Sounds like a good show.

Zombie: "Food, food!"
Survivalist: Bang! Bang!
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 21 May 2008, 23:32:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'C')ool down as Joel suggested, have a beer and watch something stupid on the Tube of you choice.


Here are a couple to get you started:

This is the opening segment to The Six Million Dollar Man and The Bionic Woman

Here is The Six Million Dollar Man Battling Sasquatch

I always wondered why he was the SIX MILLION dollar man, instead of five million or seven million.

Global famine, the apocalypse, intercontinental wars, 90% of humanity starving. Pass the hot buttered popcorn, please. Sounds like a good show.

Zombie: "Food, food!"
Survivalist: Bang! Bang!


One of the episodes of the Six Million Dollar Man had Steve Austin fighting a Seven Million Dollar Man (Steve Austin won, of course).
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby madison » Thu 22 May 2008, 14:47:43

"What do you do?"

Prepare yourself for a low-energy lifestyle.

Decide if where you are living (location wise and in the specific housing of choice) is where you want to be for the rest of your life. Do you live in a well-built house? Does your region/area require heating and cooling? Do you have access to wood and water sufficient for your needs? Do you have enough room to plant edible landscaping, a mini-orchard, perennial food plants, raised bed gardens? Does your town have a farmers' market? Are you nrear friends and family? Do you like your neighbors? Is your town walkable and have a good employment base? Are you located near farms and farmland? Do you know of any permaculture groups in your local area? Do you have an extenstion office with a Master Gardeners program?

Make your home as efficient and homestead-like as possible. Install solar power systems (or wind/microhydro) if you can afford it. Install cisterns, barrels, gutters and other rainwater capture and storage facilities and systems. Consider how you'd deal with grey and blackwater if the public sewer systems broke down. Think about lighting, cooking, heating systems in your home. Build outdoor cob ovens and BBQ pits. Install a woodstove. Weatherize your home to be as efficient with the cooling and heating systems you currently have. Fix your roof. Build a root cellar or make a cold-room in your basement. Plant fruit and nut trees and berry bushes. Think about food-fiber-fuel plants.

Find like-minded community. Search everywhere for people with similar ideas, even if they are not peak oil aware (yet). Find the permaculturists, the gardeners, the local-food advocates, the environmental activists, the humanitarians. Get counseling if you need it. Start your own group. Build bridges. Teach others.

Buy and save seeds of all kinds. Start a garden. Buy books. Buy durable goods (blankets, warm and appropriate clothing, water filters etc). There is a good article out there called "100 things that disappear in an emergency" or something like that; it lists good things to put away for a less-predictable future.

Enjoy life now, and enjoy the benefits of modern technology and civilization. Go to a movie. Drink coffee. VAlue the simple things that we take for granted that may becoem things in the past that we miss. Mourn the good things and the things that never will be. Mourn the lives that will be lost and the dreams that won't come to pass. Be mindful.

Basically, prepare to replace the everyday systems in your life with alternatives. Think outside the box.
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Re: Now I know about peak oil, what should I do now???

Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 22 May 2008, 16:36:53

Yes, prep now. Those who refuse to think outside the box are, eventually, going to be buried in that box.
Learn now while there is still time.
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