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How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby allenwrench » Tue 20 May 2008, 10:27:04

On a talk show one commentator said that 25% of the US has been closed to oil exploration due to environmentalist. Is 25% a good estimate?
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby RdSnt » Tue 20 May 2008, 11:16:17

In the simplest terms the ban on oil exploration in parts of the US has been exclusively that of invasive exploration; physical drilling and digging.
All parts of the US have been explored electronically, from fly overs and satellite. This process gives a very good general indication of what is potentially available.
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby aahala2 » Tue 20 May 2008, 12:01:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'O')n a talk show one commentator said that 25% of the US has been closed to oil exploration due to environmentalist. Is 25% a good estimate?


If the percentage refers to the land mass of the US, it's
hardly even an estimate. 2.5% would be much closer, and without
actual calculation on my part, .25% might be closer still.

The only major land excluded from oil due to environmental
concerns(and where oil might be found) is ANWAR.

There are areas off shore the feds prohibit, but how much
area is off limits is not likely to raise the percentage to anything
close to 25%.
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby KingM » Tue 20 May 2008, 12:45:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala2', '
')If the percentage refers to the land mass of the US, it's
hardly even an estimate. 2.5% would be much closer, and without
actual calculation on my part, .25% might be closer still.

The only major land excluded from oil due to environmental
concerns(and where oil might be found) is ANWAR.

There are areas off shore the feds prohibit, but how much
area is off limits is not likely to raise the percentage to anything
close to 25%.


You're just talking out your ass. Having once lived in a western state that was over 50% owned by the government, including huge chunks of land set aside as wilderness, national parks, etc., I think 25% is a reasonable guess.

Even so, assuming that this 25% performs at the same level as the other 75%, this gives us max of 1-2 million barrels per day. It doesn't solve our fuel crisis.
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby joeltrout » Tue 20 May 2008, 12:52:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', '
')All parts of the US have been explored electronically, from fly overs and satellite. This process gives a very good general indication of what is potentially available.


Please tell me you are kidding??? I think it might be benificial for you to read an intro into the oil industry.

You cannot explore for oil from the sky. You need at the very least 3-d seismic on the ground.

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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby RdSnt » Tue 20 May 2008, 13:09:29

What rock have you been living under the past few decades?

http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=348055&sid=REG

http://www.satimagingcorp.com/svc/exploration.html

http://www.gulfoilandgas.com/webpro1/pr ... asp?id=755

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 152025.htm

Enough references?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', '
')All parts of the US have been explored electronically, from fly overs and satellite. This process gives a very good general indication of what is potentially available.


Please tell me you are kidding??? I think it might be benificial for you to read an intro into the oil industry.

You cannot explore for oil from the sky. You need at the very least 3-d seismic on the ground.

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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 20 May 2008, 20:53:08

Define "explored."

If some oil company(s) digs a few wells in a few spots in Nevada, for example, and maybe takes some seismic readings here and there, does that mean all of Nevada has been "explored" for oil? Not really.

Or, what if some county in Kansas has had 400 oil wells drilled over the past 5 decades, but none of them have gone deeper than 6,000 feet. Does this mean that this county has been thoroughly "explored?" Not really, there might be deposits deeper than 6,000 feet which no one bothered to look for because it wasn't economic to do so, and/or because they didn't think there would be anything down that far (and they might be wrong).

There's no clear line between being "explored" and being "not explored."
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Tue 20 May 2008, 21:48:09

everyones a little bit right and a little bit wrong.

Aeromag and gravity as well as remote sensing are "tools" that explorers use. The aeromag in conjuction with gravity can help to identify potential structural traps in the subsurface whereas the remote sensing can be used to identify surface oil seeps (Nigel Press does a lot of this) and plant growth that might be related to shallow hydrocarbon seepage. Surface features from lidar or radar can also be used to infer subsurface structuring.
That being said it would be very, very unusual for someone to drill a well based on that information alone. Usually 2D seismic would be acquired and for specific playtypes possibly 3D seismic. The only case where someone might drill a well with aerial surveys alone is if seismic is prohibitively expensive compared to a well. The problem with this approach is that once you've drilled your dry hole there is no way of telling if you missed a structure that could have been identified on seismic.
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby allenwrench » Wed 21 May 2008, 10:30:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'D')efine "explored."

If some oil company(s) digs a few wells in a few spots in Nevada, for example, and maybe takes some seismic readings here and there, does that mean all of Nevada has been "explored" for oil? Not really.

Or, what if some county in Kansas has had 400 oil wells drilled over the past 5 decades, but none of them have gone deeper than 6,000 feet. Does this mean that this county has been thoroughly "explored?" Not really, there might be deposits deeper than 6,000 feet which no one bothered to look for because it wasn't economic to do so, and/or because they didn't think there would be anything down that far (and they might be wrong).

There's no clear line between being "explored" and being "not explored."



This brings up another question - depth.

I was told that at deep depths crude becomes nat gas from high pressure. Is this true?

If so, some of the people claiming to get more oil we just drill deeper may not have it all right?
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby aahala2 » Wed 21 May 2008, 11:53:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala2', '
')If the percentage refers to the land mass of the US, it's
hardly even an estimate. 2.5% would be much closer, and without
actual calculation on my part, .25% might be closer still.

The only major land excluded from oil due to environmental
concerns(and where oil might be found) is ANWAR.

There are areas off shore the feds prohibit, but how much
area is off limits is not likely to raise the percentage to anything
close to 25%.


You're just talking out your ass. Having once lived in a western state that was over 50% owned by the government, including huge chunks of land set aside as wilderness, national parks, etc., I think 25% is a reasonable guess.



You're quite right the federal government owns a lot of land
west of the Mississippi.

However, I don't believe I'm "talking out my ass" of this. Please
identify any large track, say 100,000 acres or more in the lower
48, that barrs oil exploration for envirnomental purposes.

Much of federal land has been leased for lumber, grasing, and
other purposes. Oil exploration may be barred from some of those
areas, but it's not for envirnomental reasons, but conflicts with
the usaege.

Please be as specific and as complete as possible. To get to
25% of the land mass, you need to come up with area more than
twice the state of Texas, excluded from oil because of the
envirnoment. I don't believe you can do it.
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby joeltrout » Wed 21 May 2008, 12:39:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala2', '
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However, I don't believe I'm "talking out my ass" of this. Please
identify any large track, say 100,000 acres or more in the lower
48, that barrs oil exploration for envirnomental purposes.



One that comes to my mind because the company my dad works for is trying to drill a well there is Otero Mesa.

It is 1.2 Million Acres in size. My dad's company was the company that got approval to drill but has been in courts since then.

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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby RdSnt » Thu 22 May 2008, 09:51:53

I completely agree with your assessment and I wasn't suggesting that aerial analysis was a complete exploration process. It is however a very effective and valuable first step in evaluating where to put down hardware.
Considering exploration is becoming increasingly expensive and drilling in particular requires huge amounts of many and constitutes the biggest financial risk, aerial surveys can effectively eliminate large areas of the country where there is no chance to find oil. It can then narrow down the prospective areas to a higher tolerance, thus reducing risk.
We can't be poking holes in every square foot of ground, not even every square mile.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', 'e')veryones a little bit right and a little bit wrong.

Aeromag and gravity as well as remote sensing are "tools" that explorers use. The aeromag in conjuction with gravity can help to identify potential structural traps in the subsurface whereas the remote sensing can be used to identify surface oil seeps (Nigel Press does a lot of this) and plant growth that might be related to shallow hydrocarbon seepage. Surface features from lidar or radar can also be used to infer subsurface structuring.
That being said it would be very, very unusual for someone to drill a well based on that information alone. Usually 2D seismic would be acquired and for specific playtypes possibly 3D seismic. The only case where someone might drill a well with aerial surveys alone is if seismic is prohibitively expensive compared to a well. The problem with this approach is that once you've drilled your dry hole there is no way of telling if you missed a structure that could have been identified on seismic.
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Thu 22 May 2008, 10:54:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')erial surveys can effectively eliminate large areas of the country where there is no chance to find oil.


in the past this would be quite true given that we did not know the location of pretty much every sedimentary basin in the world, we do now. In the US, outside of the overthrust in Utah, Wyoming the game is largely subtle traps which will not show up on gravity or magnetics analysis. Even the extremely high resolution aeromag can only define structural boundaries and is pretty much useless in the game one plays in the continental US nowadays.

BTW there are large areas in the US that are not completely unexplored but underexplored, albeit for several reasons. One of these is the overthrust belt in Nevada. There have been a number of small companies promoting the area but outside of some very significant discoveries many years ago (Grant Canyon, Blackburn) there hasn't been any significant success. The key elements are there, world-class source rock, trapping configurations, seal, reservoir (somewhat unpredictable it would seem) but the problem has been current seismic technology does not allow for imaging in enough detail below the thick accumulation of volcanic and volcani-clastic rock. Basically you just don't know where to drill.

Another area underexplored is beneath the plateau river basalts in Washington state and Idaho. There is a relatively large area covered by Tertiary basalt flows. Seismic imaging below this layer is currently unfeasible so again no idea where one should drill. We know there is source rock in the area and likely also a number of potential reservoirs. There are almost certainly trapping configurations but how you would figure out where to drill is pretty much a quandry.
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby TheDude » Thu 22 May 2008, 11:09:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'T')his brings up another question - depth.

I was told that at deep depths crude becomes nat gas from high pressure. Is this true?

If so, some of the people claiming to get more oil we just drill deeper may not have it all right?


Oil On My Shoes is a nifty page explaining Petroleum Geology. Ken Deffeyes's book Hubbert's Peak covers PG quite well, too.

You won't find more oil drilling further down, no. Damn Interesting ยป The Deepest Hole is about Russian efforts in that direction.
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby joeltrout » Thu 22 May 2008, 12:46:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', 'e')veryones a little bit right and a little bit wrong.

Aeromag and gravity as well as remote sensing are "tools" that explorers use. The aeromag in conjuction with gravity can help to identify potential structural traps in the subsurface whereas the remote sensing can be used to identify surface oil seeps (Nigel Press does a lot of this) and plant growth that might be related to shallow hydrocarbon seepage. Surface features from lidar or radar can also be used to infer subsurface structuring.
That being said it would be very, very unusual for someone to drill a well based on that information alone. Usually 2D seismic would be acquired and for specific playtypes possibly 3D seismic. The only case where someone might drill a well with aerial surveys alone is if seismic is prohibitively expensive compared to a well. The problem with this approach is that once you've drilled your dry hole there is no way of telling if you missed a structure that could have been identified on seismic.


I grew up in the Permian Basin and now work as a landman in California. I have never known a company to use aerial or satellite imaging for DOMESTIC oil and gas exploration.

The only times I have heard of using satellite images during exploration is mapping the terrain in order to lay out seismic in fairly unaccessible areas.

I agree it was used in the past. Areas like spindletop and signal hill would have been targeted. I just disagree that most of the US is "explored" because of aerial/satellite images.

How much is aerial/satellite images used in the US currently?

3-d seismic exploration far out weighs aerial/satellite images. The fact that some seismic companies are booked for over a year tells me many parts of the US haven't been totally "explored".

For example there was a seismic shoot last year that covered much of Long Beach and Wilmington. LB & Wilmington have been explored and producing for decades but a local company knew much of it had never been shot with 3-d and they got approval from the cities and communities.

They literally laid the cables and drove the "thumper" trucks down the city streets. It was an amazing feat logistically..

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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Thu 22 May 2008, 15:42:08

aeromag and satellite are still used as part of the toolset for some areas such as the overthrust, Appalachia. It isn't an exclusive piece of information but then neither is 3D. 3D is shot in many places but I reiterate that most exploration is done on 2D data and 3D is acquired later as an appraisal tool. There are spots where 3D is used out of the gate but usually that's because there is a fair bit of older 2D data available through seismic brokerage houses or company trades and/or there is already a fair bit of well information.
The fact that all the 3D crews are busy does not say what they are working on, could be appraisal work or could be development work. In some cases those crews might be conducting production 4D which is starting to get some traction in North America.
I reiterate 3D is not a panacea. If I had a nickel for every dry hole that has been drilled on 3D data I could have retired a long, long time ago.
If you want to know what percentage of the US still remains to be explored the USGS reports are the best place to go for the actual science. They outline the basins and speak to some degree on the level of previous activity and the potential YTF.
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 23 May 2008, 01:40:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', '
')This brings up another question - depth.

I was told that at deep depths crude becomes nat gas from high pressure. Is this true?

If so, some of the people claiming to get more oil we just drill deeper may not have it all right?

Yes, it's true that if you go too deep, you go outside the oil-bearing zone. But that doesn't mean that every place that's been drilled for oil has been drilled entirely through the zone.
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby SoylentGreen » Wed 28 May 2008, 19:21:36

Exxon's Russian subsidary drilled a record 37100 ft. last year in Siberia. (Almost 10km! )
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Re: How much of the US has never been explored for oil?

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 30 May 2008, 10:35:30

SoylentGreen

You have to be careful with those press releases that don't give all the details. The "Exxon's Russian subsidary drilled a record 37100 ft. last year in Siberia. (Almost 10km! )" didn't actually drill that deep. In the drilling world there's the measured depth of the hole (how much hole you actually drilled) and the true vertical depth (how deep into the earth you drill). The well you reference is what's called an extended reach well. It started drilling verically straight down but quickly started to change course to drill more sideways then vertical. Eventually it was drilling almost horizontally. I'm not sure but I think the true verical depth of the well was close to 8000'. They drilled it this way so they could hit a target that was offshore. It was apparently cheaper to drill more hole from a land location then to drill with an offshore rig.

But there are very deep holes out there. Just last fall I was on a drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico that drilled over 34,000' true vertical depth...and that was in 7000' of water. The operator gave up before reaching the proposed depth of 37,000'. That would have made it the deepest well drilled in the western hemisphere.
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