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The Joy of Aggression

Postby Narz » Thu 22 May 2008, 01:53:58

Interesting Study.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/01/14/aggression-study.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Aggression generates sensation of reward in brain: mouse study

Aggressive behaviour is very rewarding from a cognitive perspective, with the brain interpreting it as a pleasurable activity on par with sex or recreational drugs, a new mouse study suggests.

"It is well known that dopamine is produced in response to rewarding stimuli such as food, sex and drugs of abuse," Maria Couppis, who conducted the study as her doctoral thesis at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, said in a release. "What we have now found is that it also serves as positive reinforcement for aggression."

Dopamine is a hormone-like substance that acts as neurotransmitter — translating the effects of things like drugs into sensations.

The study of mice involved placing a female and male mouse in a cage, with five other mice in a separate enclosure. In the course of the experiment, the female mouse would be removed from the cage and temporarily replaced with an "intruder" mouse. The aggressiveness of the male mouse was then observed.

Over time, the male mouse, trained to poke a target with its nose if it wanted the intruder to arrive again, increasingly signalled it wanted the other mouse to return and that it perceived the encounter as a reward.

When the male and female mice were given drugs that stopped the dopamine receptors in their brains, they stopped being so eager to have the intruder mouse return.

"We learned from these experiments that an individual will intentionally seek out an aggressive encounter solely because they experience a rewarding sensation from it," said Craig Kennedy, professor of special education and pediatrics at Vanderbilt.

"This shows for the first time that aggression, on its own, is motivating, and that the well-known positive reinforcer dopamine plays a critical role."

The study will be published online the week of Jan. 14 in the journal Psychopharmacology.

Now, someone start some shit so I can get my fix! :twisted:
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby BigTex » Thu 22 May 2008, 02:00:31

I think the trouble is that these states of aggression are only supposed to last for a short period of time.

If you walk around like that all the time it will exhaust you quickly.
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby Narz » Thu 22 May 2008, 02:08:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I') think the trouble is that these states of aggression are only supposed to last for a short period of time.
If you walk around like that all the time it will exhaust you quickly.

That's why we need healthy outlets.

I remember when I was 13 and miserable at boarding school (with no girls :( :( :cry: ) I went out with a friend of mine and we tried to slam each other with tennis balls for about half-an-hour. We both had our share of bruises by the next day but man was it worth it.

I wish I would've taken martial arts as a kid (would've saved me a significant amount of grief) but better late than never.

I'd even go so far as to say healthy competitive outlets like chess or poker could probably give some of the same neurological benefits than hostile confrontations do.
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 22 May 2008, 03:47:17

I suppose so. I've told this story before, Narz, but maybe you didn't see it so I'll tell it again. As a kid I liked to fight. It seemed natural enough. Lasted right through 8th grade, then something happened, some kind of moral change and I quit getting in fights. Fast forward to my 40's, I'm splits with my wife and we're not living together. She's got some new guy who wants to marry her. I say fine, if you want a divorce let's do it. She gets cold feet and the guy is pissed. So one night, very late, he comes to my place, not far from his, and demands entrance. I tell him to go away but he keeps knocking loudly. So I figure OK I'll let him in and we'll talk about it. I'll tell him hey, it's up to her. Big mistake. He starts acting like a tweaker and won't leave. At this point my inhibitions against fighting are strong so I call the cops. The guys says he knows exactly what the cops are going to do when they eventually get there: they'll ask him a few questions to see if he should be taken to the County psyche ward. He'll answer in such a way that they'll send him home. Then he promised that he would return and do them same thing again. Well, the cops showed up and it went just as he said it would. The next day I was so furious that I got loose with some wine, walked to his place, punched him in the mouth, and went home to get arrested. They were going to charge me with felony assault because I broke one of his teeth, but the DA wouldn't touch it because of the prior police report from the night before. They sent it to some guy whose job it is to smooth these sorts of conflicts. He told me, well, so-and-so just wants an apology. I said I'm not giving it. He smiled and that was the end of it. The point of all this is that I felt a great joy in breaking that guy's tooth. It felt good. Aggression is very satisfying.
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby mos6507 » Thu 22 May 2008, 05:14:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'H')e told me, well, so-and-so just wants an apology. I said I'm not giving it. He smiled and that was the end of it. The point of all this is that I felt a great joy in breaking that guy's tooth. It felt good. Aggression is very satisfying.

It's satisfying if it solves a dispute, as it looks like it did in this case. The problem is that the guy could have very well answered your punch the next day with a shotgun blast to your head. With violence you never know how far it will escalate.

It does sound like he backed you into a corner, though, so I can understand why you did that.

For myself, I had to turn the other cheek quite a bit during my divorce. Just the decision to divorce was my way of avoiding the liability of the pent up frustration of both of us being stuck in an unacceptable situation. After I got custody, she keyed my new car and started stalking me, even after I got a restraining order. It was brutal. I learned a lot about anger management from that experience.
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby Narz » Thu 22 May 2008, 05:16:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')t felt good. Aggression is very satisfying.
Sure is. I try not to have any regrets in life but if I did have to choose they'd mostly involve me being too meek. The only time to be meek is if someone's about to shoot you in the hand. I don't regret any physical harm I caused people who abused me.

That said, it's a balance, mindless aggression and society descends into chaos (well most here think that is happening anyway but you know what I mean :P) too little and you're ripe to get taken advantage of.
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 22 May 2008, 21:18:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')For myself, I had to turn the other cheek quite a bit during my divorce. Just the decision to divorce was my way of avoiding the liability of the pent up frustration of both of us being stuck in an unacceptable situation. After I got custody, she keyed my new car and started stalking me, even after I got a restraining order. It was brutal. I learned a lot about anger management from that experience.
Yikes! Sounds like you are lucky not to have found your pet bunny boiling in a pot on the stove. Women are every bit the crazy primate that men are, if not more so in the current cultural scene.

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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby Narz » Thu 22 May 2008, 23:07:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '[')url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Vjs8c5IcYc]Chick Fights[/url]

The sad thing is alot of that stuff is edged on and done for attention. In the news there was a story the other day about this group of kids who beat the living shit out of some poor girl just to get attention on YouTube. They're being prosecuted know AFAIK. I hope the get serious time, the lot of them, they acted as though it was some joke even though the girl has brain damage now and severe injuries.
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby threadbear » Fri 23 May 2008, 01:28:34

I used to beat up boys, who destroyed nests full of baby birds when I was 10, 11 and 12. I would do the same today, if I saw a man doing that, but this time I'd kick him in the crotch. Then when he was bent over, I'd give him a good chop to the back or a kick in the butt that would send him sprawling. Then I'd gently knee him in the kidneys. Just thinking about it makes me smile. :)
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 23 May 2008, 01:52:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') used to beat up boys, who destroyed nests full of baby birds when I was 10, 11 and 12.
What we want to know is, would you kick chick ass if they destroyed bird nests too?
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby threadbear » Fri 23 May 2008, 02:15:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') used to beat up boys, who destroyed nests full of baby birds when I was 10, 11 and 12.
What we want to know is, would you kick chick ass if they destroyed bird nests too?

I don't know. I've only ever been truly enraged with a woman, once, and it didn't involve baby birds. Women can be devious and passive aggressive as anything, but there's just something about a truly stupid and nasty man that begs to be punched.
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 23 May 2008, 02:18:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')Women can be devious and passive aggressive as anything, but there's just something about a truly stupid and nasty man that begs to be punched.
I trust that isn't me, sweetheart. :-D
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby threadbear » Fri 23 May 2008, 02:22:27

There's nobody on this forum I have ever wanted to punch.
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby mercurygirl » Fri 23 May 2008, 02:27:52

There are people on this forum I've wanted to kiss!
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby BigTex » Fri 23 May 2008, 09:19:23

I'll bet threadbear loved "Kill Bill."
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby Stonemason » Fri 23 May 2008, 10:17:28

Dopamine is the wanting and desire neurotransmitter, and for reinforceing effects of rewards. It is not necessarily the neurotransmitter for liking a reward. Why people with ADHD have less motivation and trouble completeing tasks.
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby vision-master » Fri 23 May 2008, 12:18:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Joy of Aggression


This emotion is not joyful to me at all.

Matter of fact it's quite dangerous.

I wish it didn't rear it's ugly head, but when I feel I'm just plain ass be fucked with, watch out.

That's why I've been banned from about 10 forums.

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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby Olaf » Fri 23 May 2008, 12:45:26

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Medieval aggression, me in the 2nd pic.

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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby vision-master » Fri 23 May 2008, 12:59:46

L@@ks like a great stress reliever. :razz:
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Re: The Joy of Aggression

Postby Olaf » Fri 23 May 2008, 13:05:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'L')@@ks like a great stress reliever. :razz:


It is. :)
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