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What's so bad about socialized medicine?
Re: What's so bad about socialized medicine?
by Byron100 » Tue 20 May 2008, 21:03:51
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jlw61', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'T')o tell you the truth, the kind of universal health system I would propose for the US is a basic, no-frills system based on modest, let's say, 1960's standards.
I'm sorry but I have a problem with this. No transplants? Only older antibiotics? No EMS? No stents? External Pacemakers? Amputated limbs are thrown away? No MRIs? No modern diagnostic tools? No plastic bag IVs? No flexible IV needles?
Do you really mean this?
The 1960's were like the stone age compared to today's medicine and a lot of people are alive today because of those advancements.
Well, I certainly am not going to object to people obtaining private coverage over and beyond my proposed basic level of care...to me, this is a choice of having something that will take care of me 90, 95% of the time, instead of zero percent of the time.
And I have a hard time believing that the 60's were that bad in terms of medical care...heck, I was born then, and I seemed to have done alright...LOL. What more can a fellow expect, to have the same level of health care that he/she was born with throughout life can't be all that bad...
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Re: What's so bad about socialized medicine?
by jlw61 » Tue 20 May 2008, 21:41:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jlw61', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'T')o tell you the truth, the kind of universal health system I would propose for the US is a basic, no-frills system based on modest, let's say, 1960's standards.
I'm sorry but I have a problem with this. No transplants? Only older antibiotics? No EMS? No stents? External Pacemakers? Amputated limbs are thrown away? No MRIs? No modern diagnostic tools? No plastic bag IVs? No flexible IV needles?
Do you really mean this?
The 1960's were like the stone age compared to today's medicine and a lot of people are alive today because of those advancements.
Well, I certainly am not going to object to people obtaining private coverage over and beyond my proposed basic level of care...to me, this is a choice of having something that will take care of me 90, 95% of the time, instead of zero percent of the time.
And I have a hard time believing that the 60's were that bad in terms of medical care...heck, I was born then, and I seemed to have done alright...LOL. What more can a fellow expect, to have the same level of health care that he/she was born with throughout life can't be all that bad...
Ok, I understand what you're saying now... but that care was not free, it was just free of malpractice suits and was a user-pays system for the most part. That alone helped keep prices to where the average person could afford to go see the local doc. Oh, yeah, when I was a kid in the 60's, we had one of them. Doc in the back of the local pharmacy a few miles away instead of 30 miles to the nearest clinic. He could set most breaks, would prescribe most medicines, and live in a home at the higher end of middle class.
Get government involved any further and I guarantee you you'll end up with 1960's care at a 2010 price.
We'll eventually come back to to the local doctor in the back of the pharmacy once peak oil has past, only I suspect that with just a little bit of luck, not only will he still have his small xray machine, but he'll have somewhat smaller versions of other fairly complex diagnostic equipment. And the pharmacist will still have penicillin and who knows, maybe some of the good stuff.
Unless of course the uber doomers can put us back into the 1800's. Who knows.
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