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Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby shortonoil » Mon 19 May 2008, 10:25:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ay 19 (Bloomberg) -- Take away Exxon Mobil Corp., Chevron Corp. and ConocoPhillips and profits at U.S. companies are the worst in at least a decade.

Without the $70 billion that oil producers earned in the last two quarters, profits at companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index tumbled 26 percent and 30.2 percent, the biggest decreases for any quarter since Bloomberg started compiling data in 1998. Energy companies made up almost half the income growth reported by S&P 500 companies in the first three months of 2008 as oil prices surged past $100 per barrel, the data show.

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Models of Peak Oil suggests that costs will rise faster than prices, and they are. After housing, airlines, banking and other energy intensive industries, oil producers will be next. They are one of the most energy intensive industries in the world!
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Re: Oil Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 19 May 2008, 10:29:06

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Re: Oil Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 19 May 2008, 11:21:01

These big integrated oil companies have a lot of problems keeping the whole system together. The biggest problem is that they have to be so giant to keep the whole thing running more or less efficiently that they cannot earn enough money to keep their stockholders from unloading the whole thing and investing in Google.

If the reinvestment economics in this business are not high enough, they won't do the investment. We all know what that means: higher prices, or even worse, people like Saudi who do not have the same cost structure or investment goals will end up dominating the entire supply chain.

So ultimately the pricing situation is going to get even worse.
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Re: Oil Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby shortonoil » Mon 19 May 2008, 11:50:27

pup55 said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f the reinvestment economics in this business are not high enough, they won't do the investment.


Even though there are record high prices, we are not seeing comparable reinvestment in E&D. Apparently to keep profits high enough to satisfy stockholders, the majors are reducing expenditures. This bodes badly in a world where what oil that remains to be found needs to come from mega-projects. Joe Wildcatter isn’t going to come up with the money for a Thunder Horse, especially with the prevailing credit markets.

This trend of lower oil and gas companies profits will undoubtedly reduce supplies in the near future! PO is beginning to reinforce itself like a positive feed back system.
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Re: Oil Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby mark » Mon 19 May 2008, 13:07:16

A very misleading headline.

It's not oil company profits that are falling, it's the rest of the S & P 500, excluding oil companies, whose profit is falling. The oil companies are doing fine. Even though cost are rising, so is the price of a barrel of oil.
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Re: Oil Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby RSB » Mon 19 May 2008, 14:33:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mark', 'A') very misleading headline.

It's not oil company profits that are falling, it's the rest of the S & P 500, excluding oil companies, whose profit is falling. The oil companies are doing fine. Even though cost are rising, so is the price of a barrel of oil.


Precisely. The headline is exactly the opposite of what it should be.

Also, what's the energy intensive part of banking? I didn't get that one either...
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Re: Oil Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby joeltrout » Mon 19 May 2008, 14:58:08

Very misleading title. And we wonder why people think we are wackos.

Oil companies, especially independents and family-owned, are making extremely high profits. Companies that own refining entities are making less but even then their production is generating a lot of return.

Most of the companies in the US operate small fields mostly dotted with stripper wells that do not require a lot of work therefore do not have a lot of expenses like big projects do. Many are making almost pure profit because the fields have been HBP for over 20+ years.

Exxon, Chevron, etc... are not all the oil companies. There are thousands of oil companies in the US.

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Re: Oil Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 19 May 2008, 15:04:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RSB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mark', 'A') very misleading headline.

It's not oil company profits that are falling, it's the rest of the S & P 500, excluding oil companies, whose profit is falling. The oil companies are doing fine. Even though cost are rising, so is the price of a barrel of oil.


Precisely. The headline is exactly the opposite of what it should be.

Also, what's the energy intensive part of banking? I didn't get that one either...


Now why would somebody go and do a thing like that?
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: Oil Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 19 May 2008, 19:04:33

The title should be edited.
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Re: Oil Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby Pops » Mon 19 May 2008, 19:28:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', 'E')ven though there are record high prices, we are not seeing comparable reinvestment in E&D.

Saw the CEO of Exxon on the tube the other day who answered a similar question thus:
"There really isn't anywhere available to look..."

That is paraphrased of course.
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Re: Oil Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 19 May 2008, 20:27:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', 'M')any are making almost pure profit because the fields have been HBP for over 20+ years.


Que? The fields have high blood pressure? 8)

Cripes, that was a fun read. :twisted: Bet there'll be a roccman post waiting for me after I hit the Submit button...
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Re: Oil Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby joeltrout » Mon 19 May 2008, 20:32:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', 'M')any are making almost pure profit because the fields have been HBP for over 20+ years.


Que? The fields have high blood pressure? 8)

Cripes, that was a fun read. :twisted: Bet there'll be a roccman post waiting for me after I hit the Submit button...


Not high blood pressure. Just no exploration costs/risk. All that is needed is maintenance which is much cheaper than exploratory operations; ie leasing, seismic, drilling, completion equipment, etc...

The LA Basin has tons of stripper wells that only produce around 10 barrels a day. At $127/ bbl that isnt bad especially when no real work has been done in 20+ years on many of these old, forgotten wells.

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Re: Companies’ Profit Falling Like a Rock

Unread postby shortonoil » Mon 19 May 2008, 23:50:36

LOL: That title was suppose to be “Oil Companies Profits Rising, Margins Falling Like a Rock
Rising, Margins got lost - sorry!

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he cost to find and develop a barrel of oil quadrupled to $18 last year from $4 in 2000.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')arnings at energy producers are lagging behind the rise in oil prices as a result.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')nergy companies globally are spending a record $369 billion on exploration and production in 2008, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. estimates.


On a nominal dollar bases this is a record; on a gross revenue bases from $120/barrel it is the lowest on record, at $10.38/barrel. This is a trend that has been going on for some time!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he industry’s new reach is shifting the economics of energy extraction. According to a recent study, discovery and development costs, a key indicator for the industry, tripled from 1999 to 2006, to nearly $15 a barrel.

NYTimes

In real terms there is less spending on E&D than ever, and this is a trend that has been going on for some time!
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Guess that will teach me not to post after missing most of a nights sleep!
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