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THE G. W. Bush and Energy Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby dub_scratch » Sun 18 May 2008, 21:02:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '
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"Consumers have to change their habits, or there has to be an increase in supply."

Change our habits? What, are you nuts? :lol:


And then Bush clarified what he means by changing habits. He said that we do that by encouraging alternatives. What kind of habit change is there by going to some other well instead of the gasoline well?

The idea of curtailing wasteful energy services is off the table of discussion. I will know that we are truly in the oil crisis when the president-- whomever he or she may be-- tells the public that we have to drive less, fly less, consume less and just simply do less. That notion seems to be too bitter of a pill for the public to swallow.
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby alokin » Sun 18 May 2008, 21:57:17

He didn't say anything. His speech writers told him to reassure that there will be sufficient oil within the US if they only would drill enough.
What I think is that they (the shadow government) let run the car full speed crashing on the wall. And then they can take over and do what they want.
"They" are surely active here in this forum and maybe even more in the LATOC forum.

They want you and me to believe that if we're boomed the best thing will be to give up the remains of democracy.
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby alokin » Sun 18 May 2008, 21:57:31

He didn't say anything. His speech writers told him to reassure that there will be sufficient oil within the US if they only would drill enough.
What I think is that they (the shadow government) let run the car full speed crashing on the wall. And then they can take over and do what they want.
"They" are surely active here in this forum and maybe even more in the LATOC forum.

They want you and me to believe that if we're boomed the best thing will be to give up the remains of democracy.
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby kokoda » Sun 18 May 2008, 23:51:38

Slaps head ... Of course just drill for more oil and build more refineries.

If you want simple answers just ask a simpleton.
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby mos6507 » Mon 19 May 2008, 00:11:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', 'H')e didn't say anything. His speech writers told him to reassure that there will be sufficient oil within the US if they only would drill enough.
What I think is that they (the shadow government) let run the car full speed crashing on the wall. And then they can take over and do what they want.
"They" are surely active here in this forum and maybe even more in the LATOC forum.

They want you and me to believe that if we're boomed the best thing will be to give up the remains of democracy.


Good storytelling. When's the novel coming out?
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby Ayoob » Mon 19 May 2008, 03:19:52

Demand being higher than supply is not the same thing as peak oil.
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby Gandalf_the_White » Mon 19 May 2008, 03:51:48

He was almost throwing a tantrum at the World Economic Forum. I'm sure they all just sort of looked at him like 'Our use for you is about to become historical. Please take your peepee pants and go home.' in their best broken English of course.

But then depending on how things play here, they might be seeing more of him than they thought, except he will be wearing his John McCain suit.

It's been nice. This game is over with, I hope you all know that.

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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby Mettezz » Mon 19 May 2008, 03:57:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'D')emand being higher than supply is not the same thing as peak oil.


That's true, however if Demand Stays higher then supply and that it will stay that way. And i doubt that they can produce more oil since Russia is declining also at the moment.

You can assume that we reached the top or a plateau, and President Bush said it in that video :

"the prices are high because demand is greater then the available oil"

Theory of peakoil is in my opinion exact the same. However if they suddenly can produce more oil then demand needs then i'm wrong. But they probably can't cause Bush is begging the saudis for a second time now and all he got is an pathetic 300 000 barrels increase and the price of oil is still the same.

And when you hear "the oil president" talk about alternatives you should be very affraid ^^

Btw i personally believe we reached the top 2 years ago in late 2006 when Indonesia couldn't export anymore oil and when mexico in the future can't export any more oil. I fear for the worst,
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby kokoda » Mon 19 May 2008, 05:58:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'D')emand being higher than supply is not the same thing as peak oil.

True ... but the end result is the same. A growing gap between what is required and what can be provided.
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby manu » Mon 19 May 2008, 06:07:18

His speech translated: Dear Lemmings, we have reached the cliff, lets all go over it together!
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby Fredrik » Mon 19 May 2008, 06:12:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', '"')They" are surely active here in this forum and maybe even more in the LATOC forum.

They want you and me to believe that if we're boomed the best thing will be to give up the remains of democracy.


Good storytelling. When's the novel coming out?


Ha! Mos6507 just exposed himself as one of them!
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby Ayoob » Mon 19 May 2008, 06:47:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'D')emand being higher than supply is not the same thing as peak oil.

True ... but the end result is the same. A growing gap between what is required and what can be provided.


Not true.

Supply greater than demand is a supply/demand imbalance. Peak oil is the maximum daily flow.

Go back to wikipedia and read up on peak oil for a bit and see if you can figure out the distinction. If not, PM me and I'll walk you through it.

Baby steps, son. Baby steps.
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby ZombieMalthus » Mon 19 May 2008, 07:01:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', '
')Not true.

Supply greater than demand is a supply/demand imbalance. Peak oil is the maximum daily flow.

Go back to wikipedia and read up on peak oil for a bit and see if you can figure out the distinction. If not, PM me and I'll walk you through it.

Baby steps, son. Baby steps.


Well, lucky for us we're living in the special case scenario where they're both one and the same.
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby TheDude » Mon 19 May 2008, 08:46:51

The video in the original post, you could take that or leave it. But this...

Bush to Arab nations: You're running out of oil

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e told the conference: "The rising price of oil has brought great wealth to some in this region, but the supply of oil is limited, and nations like mine are aggressively developing alternatives to oil.


Image Image Image Image

Limited? Has this man ever read the USGS study? Image

Why, it's like he knows something about the actual amount of oil in the ME!
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby Hagakure_Leofman » Mon 19 May 2008, 09:05:31

yeah. limited oil. what a concept!

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As Kunstler put it, many people seem to think the world has a creamy nougat center of oil.
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby Ivan_M » Mon 19 May 2008, 09:20:20

That Bush, an oil man born and bred, has a house that is entirely off the grid is a much more reliable gauge that he is "peak aware"
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby Gandalf_the_White » Mon 19 May 2008, 11:46:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'T')he video in the original post, you could take that or leave it. But this...

Why, it's like he knows something about the actual amount of oil in the ME!


Again notice that you cannot really tell what he knows by what he says?

He might have been in SA trying to get approval for supply lines to run through SA for an attack on Iran. He seemed to act surprised and angry when the King told him no we won't increase supply because everyone who wants oil is getting it, but then how could either them be that naive? Or, I guess here is the propaganda element, how could we all believe otherwise? We are not on the ground in Saudi Arabia, or sitting in on the board rooms of the oil majors, or sitting in on meetings at the Oval Office. At least no one here would admit to that, although I would not be surprised if Karl Rove has made an appearance or two.
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby AgentR » Mon 19 May 2008, 12:04:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', '"')We need to git more supply. We haven't built a refinery since 1976."
Great...


I have said all along that PO is a VERY dangerous vehicle to hitch the environmental agenda too. When push comes to shove, there aren't a handful of politicians that wouldn't rip every environmental law to shreds in an effort to insure that Granny NewEnglander doesn't go without access to heating oil.

Inconveniencing and indirectly taxing mid class suburban dwellers and road trip summer vacation goers... sure, the Pols can handle that.

November election + cold winter + no heating oil = a REAL "throw the bums out" movement. Voters will replace them with folks that want to drill anything that looks even remotely greasy. (whether that could fix the problem or not is irrelevant.)
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby dunewalker » Mon 19 May 2008, 12:18:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', '"')We need to git more supply. We haven't built a refinery since 1976."

Great...


The obvious question: how will more refineries provide more oil? Of course refineries do not produce oil, they only refine it. U.S. refinery utilization rate was 86.6% last week, according to the weekly EIA petroleum report. Seems like we already have sufficient refinery capacity for the available oil supply...

shorten those links! ~jato
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Re: Bush admits we reached "peakoil"

Postby mos6507 » Mon 19 May 2008, 13:57:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fredrik', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', '"')They" are surely active here in this forum and maybe even more in the LATOC forum.

They want you and me to believe that if we're boomed the best thing will be to give up the remains of democracy.


Good storytelling. When's the novel coming out?


Ha! Mos6507 just exposed himself as one of them!


I wish. Then I could have all the free gas I wanted. :)
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