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Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 18 May 2008, 00:55:34

I know that many of you share my enthusiasm for movies. I know that even Ayoob, who has said that peak oil moved him on from a connoisseur's life of appreciating fine entertainment, such as Clint Eastwood's contributions in this field, likes movies. To my mind, the two things that will be most sorely missed in the world to come are the personal freedom of movement that the automobile provides and movies. Peak oil doesn't make me want to watch movies less, it makes me want to see every one I can. Letters From Iwo Jima is one I watched today. It shows the whole bloody thing from the Japanese perspective, or at least apparently it does. Didn't seem to bother Japanese audiences who flocked to it in droves. This was another Clint Eastwood effort. Much lower budget than the other Iwo Jima Clint Eastwood film, The Flags Of Our Fathers. Yet it had more success. Very telling. I think people today dread the past and dread the future and long for nunc stans, the ever present now.
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Re: Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby Novus » Sun 18 May 2008, 01:58:50

That film was mind blowing and I don't even like films. Very edgy and very good. I am surprised they made a film in Japanese for American audience.
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Re: Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby Hagakure_Leofman » Sun 18 May 2008, 02:39:59

I have a copy of Letters from Iowa Jima, but I've yet to watch it...

The way that Eastwood shot these two films at the same time reminded me a little of the film Tora! Tora! Tora!. That film detailed the lead up and bombing of Pearl Harbour and was shown from both the US and Japanese perspectives. They even had separate Japanese and American directors tell each side separately before it was cut together. Originally, they approached the legendary Akira Kurosawa to direct the Japanese portion, though they lied to him about who was going to direct the US perspective, and when he found out, he had himself fired from the project.

Tora! Tora! Tora! was infinitely superior to that retarded Pearl Harbour with Ben Affleck. That stunk of revisionist, patriotism and constructivist propaganda. Not surprising coming from Jerry Bruckheimer.

Still, I wasn't that impressed by Flags of our Fathers. It wasn't one of Eastwood's best films. Those that have seen both, do you think Letters from Iowa Jima is better?
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Re: Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby midnight-gamer » Sun 18 May 2008, 11:11:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'd')o you think Letters from Iowa Jima is better?

I would say there is a vast improvement. imo
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Re: Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby auscanman » Sun 18 May 2008, 14:12:12

Letters from Iwo Jima is one of the best movies ever IMO.

Those Japanese soldiers on Iwo Jima who were on Iwo Jima are kind of like us peak oilers right now. They knew that they would be overwhelmed by the US forces, but were determined to put up a dogged fight. We peak oilers know that peak oil will eventually decimate industrialized civilization, but we (or at least most of us) want to make sure we don't take the same pummeling that most will suffer.
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Re: Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby bodigami » Sun 18 May 2008, 14:24:57

Actually I prefer downloading anime than going to see the usual crappy USAmerican movies. Right now I'm dowloading Code Geass. The setting of this series is an invasion of Britania (USA) to Japan, which is now called Zone 11. There are mechas, magic (mind control) and (human-like, sexy) aliens.
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Re: Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby Baldwin » Sun 18 May 2008, 14:53:32

I liked it, too. I wish that more movies were produced from the axis perspective. I loved All Quiet on the Western Front (WWI) both book and movie. It was hard enough getting a classic from the German side in WWI. I'd like to see an equivalent for WWII.
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Re: Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 18 May 2008, 15:20:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', ' ') I'd like to see an equivalent for WWII.
The 1981 German film Das Boot qualifies I think.
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Re: Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 18 May 2008, 18:18:27

So I saw Eastwood's other Iwo Jima movie, Flags Of Our Fathers. I think it's a marvelous and poignant look at the significance of Iwo Jima from the American side. The fraud of the two flag raisings and the propaganda use to sell war bonds. The guys who raised the second flag, because somebody didn't want somebody else to get the first one, made heroes and brought home to make speeches and sell bonds because the war effort was bankrupting the US Treasury. The sad story of Ira Hayes was told well. The Boswell Sisters singing rah rah patriotic songs. Now that I have seen them both, I have to rate them both excellent.

Johnny Cash - The Ballad Of Ira Hayes
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Re: Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby Fredrik » Sun 18 May 2008, 18:35:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', ' ') I'd like to see an equivalent for WWII.
The 1981 German film Das Boot qualifies I think.


As well as Stalingrad (1992), although I think it's inferior to Das Boot. The director of Das Boot, Wolfgang Petersen, moved later to Hollywood and made such mediocre blockbusters as Air Force One and Troy.
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Re: Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby Hagakure_Leofman » Sun 18 May 2008, 20:03:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he sad story of Ira Hayes was told well. The Boswell Sisters singing rah rah patriotic songs. Now that I have seen them both, I have to rate them both excellent.

Johnny Cash - The Ballad Of Ira Hayes


I'd have to agree with you. Flags was a good film. Certainly Ira Hayes story was the highlight. And of course, the Johnny Cash song immediately came to mind...

"... whiskey drinking indian and his name was Ira Hayes...."

I've have to load up Letters and watch it tonight. :-D

Since we're on WW2 films, others might like Stalingrad. A representation of the battle of Stalingrad from the german perspective, or for the Russian point-of-view, try Enemy at the Gates. Also, who could pass up the epic Patton. 8)
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Re: Letters From Iwo Jima

Unread postby Eli » Sun 18 May 2008, 23:55:10

I need to watch all of Letters from Iwo Jima. Great movie and I liked what I saw a lot better than Flags of OUr Fathers. The Japanese perspective is just much more interesting, the strange concepts about honor and duty is really interesting.
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