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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby pup55 » Sun 18 May 2008, 17:34:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')uy June crude at 12100 stop 11950

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e're long June crude from apprx 12100 - stop 11950.
Buy June heating oil at 345 - stop 340.
Stopped on short June RBOB from apprx 32000 at apprx 32300.
Buy June natural gas at 1100 - stop 1070.

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') June 2008 126.45 126.94 126.94 127.82 124.04 126.29 +2.17

Phil ought to know that crude oil did not get down to 121 on thursday (stopping him into his long trade), so we will assume that there was some bizarre out of body experience that caused him to think that he is now long.
So we will just ignore that trade for the time being. Surely Phil is aware that in light of his status as a talking head there would be people out in cyberland recording his trades for posterity.

I'm not at all sure his RBOB 320 trade was not a second trade, in addition to his 319 trade that was stopped out early in the week. If that is the case, it cost him an additional 3 cents, or $1260, when it was stopped out.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby DantesPeak » Sun 18 May 2008, 17:42:01

I thought for a while that Phil was coming around to embrace PO, and accept his destiny, but apparently I was wrong. He goes on a wild rant saying that Congress is holding back free market forces.
But if Congress opened the entire US to drilling today, wouldn't it be some years before meaningful quantities would arrive. Therefore what Phil says doesn't have much bearing on the current price of oil.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')lowning Around Friday, May 16, 2008
by Phil Flynn of Alaron Trading Corporation
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am–stuck in the middle with you. Or is it the clowns moving to the left while we are lacking political courage on the right? You may not like to face the fact but the way this nation is playing politics with our nation’s energy security it seems we are moving too far to the almost socialist left at a time when more than ever we have to allow market based solutions address our nations critical energy needs.

You think I am overstating the case? Ok then, why? At this critical point in our energy history, is our Congress running for cheap political cover when it comes to our nation’s oil security? I mean let's get serious, why is Congress passing a bill forcing the president to stop filling our Strategic Petroleum Reserve at a time when the difference between adequate supply and shortage of supply has never been thinner. Why is Senator Hillary Clinton proposing a windfall profit tax on the big oil companies? I thought our dear Senator liked windfall profits. Why do I say that? Well she did not seem to have a problem with windfall profits when she was trading cattle. (That’s why I have a small soft spot in my heart for her, either that or it’s indigestion.)
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby pup55 » Sun 18 May 2008, 19:19:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')ild rant
I read this wild rant. Phil and so many others are still stuck in the old paradigm that if only we did X we could go back to where we were in the 90's and energy would be cheap again, and we could go back to our SUV's.

I think the worst one on this is Carl Levin, US senator from Michigan. Still trying to protect jobs in Detroit by fighting the new CAFE standards tooth and nail. Blame the oil companies for exploiting the public. Hillary borrows some of this rhetoric occasionally when she is speaking to people that don't know any better.

What these characters don't realize is that there is no turning back, there has been a fundamental change in the whole system. No amount of government intervention, shooting the messenger, windfall profit anything, or anything else will get us back to the way it used to be. No one knows for sure what is going to replace it. This will of course make it all the more painful on all of us.
Phil will short sell himself into chapter 11 before he figures it out I'm afraid.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby joewp » Sun 18 May 2008, 19:40:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'P')hil will short sell himself into chapter 11 before he figures it out I'm afraid.

We can only hope. After all, somebody has to be on the other side of our longs, right? :lol:
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby oilluber » Sun 18 May 2008, 19:59:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'I') thought for a while that Phil was coming around to embrace PO, and accept his destiny, but apparently I was wrong. He goes on a wild rant saying that Congress is holding back free market forces.
But if Congress opened the entire US to drilling today, wouldn't it be some years before meaningful quantities would arrive. Therefore what Phil says doesn't have much bearing on the current price of oil.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')lowning Around Fri, 16 May 2008 by Phil Flynn of Alaron Trading Corporation
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am–stuck in the middle with you. Or is it the clowns moving to the left while we are lacking political courage on the right? You may not like to face the fact but the way this nation is playing politics with our nation’s energy security it seems we are moving too far to the almost socialist left at a time when more than ever we have to allow market based solutions address our nations critical energy needs.
You think I am overstating the case? Ok then, why? At this critical point in our energy history, is our Congress running for cheap political cover when it comes to our nation’s oil security? I mean let's get serious, why is Congress passing a bill forcing the president to stop filling our Strategic Petroleum Reserve at a time when the difference between adequate supply and shortage of supply has never been thinner. Why is Senator Hillary Clinton proposing a windfall profit tax on the big oil companies? I thought our dear Senator liked windfall profits. Why do I say that? Well she did not seem to have a problem with windfall profits when she was trading cattle. (That’s why I have a small soft spot in my heart for her, either that or it’s indigestion.)
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so congress has to allow drilling in Alaska where oil companies
will put up the Cash and risk shareholder's money on
crappy oil resources ?? and that is after increasing the taxes on
the same oil companies ??

From what I've read, there is no Oil sands sized resources there, nor something cheap from an investment point of view.
Any CFO of a oil company doing something that stupid should be
tarred and feathered by the shareholders.
All this for saving Phyll Flynn's big ego ??
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby TonyPrep » Sun 18 May 2008, 20:27:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'H')e goes on a wild rant saying that Congress is holding back free market forces.
I wonder if he'd approve of the manipulation of the credit markets by pumping in hundreds of billions.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby DantesPeak » Sun 18 May 2008, 21:07:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'H')e goes on a wild rant saying that Congress is holding back free market forces.
I wonder if he'd approve of the manipulation of the credit markets by pumping in hundreds of billions.

I don't know specifically but most futures traders seem very happy that the Fed and other government entities have issued or loaned $1 trillion in new money to financial firms in the last six months.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby TonyPrep » Mon 19 May 2008, 02:21:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'H')e goes on a wild rant saying that Congress is holding back free market forces.
I wonder if he'd approve of the manipulation of the credit markets by pumping in hundreds of billions.

I don't know specifically but most futures traders seem very happy that the Fed and other government entities have issued or loaned $1 trillion in new money to financial firms in the last six months.
I'm sure they are. But those that welcome such interventions can't complain if the market is not given a free rein, in other areas.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby pup55 » Thu 22 May 2008, 09:23:27

We haven't checked on Phil in a day or two: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e're long June crude from apprx 12100 - raise stop to 12500! It last trading day so take profits on your June Crude!!!! And look to July to sell July crude at 12900 - stop 13300.
Buy July heating oil at 345 - stop 340.
Sell July RBOB at 32750 - stop 33050.
Stopped on long June natural gas from apprx 1100 at apprx 1070.
Buy July natural gas at 1050 - stop 1030.

We know that Phil was not long from 121, so that is a non-trade. Where he got long on NG at 1100 is also beyond me, so that is also a non-trade.
The July RBOB is about 3.41 now, so that one is in no danger of being filled, nor is the HO trade at 345, now that it is up around $4.00 this morning.

Phil wants to go short on crude oil at 129, and has set a 4-cent limit on the trade, which means he wants you to risk losing $4000 assuming the price spikes down that low for a bit.
So Phil's running total is what it was the other day until he posts some trades that actually make sense with what is going on in the market.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut what should matter and what will matter eventually is the fact that US oil imports are on a downward slope. Today’s Financial Times screams that the US begins to break (its) foreign oil addiction and that the US has seen its first significant cut in oil imports since the days of disco back in 1977. The Financial Times says that high prices, more efficient cars, and the use of ethanol, have led to this significant cut. The FT quotes my old buddy Guy Caruso as saying that the country’s foreign oil dependency is expected to fall from 60% to about 50% in 2015, before rising again slightly to 54% in 2030. Net imports into the US are expected to fall between now and 2030 ending what the FT says was an almost relentless 30 year rise in the use of foreign oil. It also says that the US decline is already becoming more visible with imports at 57.9% vs. 58.2% last year. I guess its no wonder why OPEC has been a little testy lately.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby oilluber » Thu 22 May 2008, 18:57:51

The way phyll is doing, we should add him to the ranks of the unemployed. At least he can become good at panhandling, you can't take a loss no matter how dumb you are.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby pup55 » Tue 27 May 2008, 12:19:05

Update:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')topped on short July crude from apprx 13500 at apprx 13325. Sell July crude oil at 13500 - stop 13600 or buy July crude at 130 - stop 12900.
Sell July heating oil at 410 - stop 415.
Sell July RBOB at 34200 - stop 34600.
Buy July natural gas at 1100 - stop 1070.

Phil has two of these trades live at the moment, the RBOB short sale at 342, and he is long on crude oil at 130. This crude oil trade was very nearly stopped out at 129 this morning but is still hanging in there for now.

The heating oil and natural gas trades are nowhere close to being filled at current pricing.
The faithful followers of Phi's trading recommendations are down approximately $23,120 since we started keeping track in January.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby pup55 » Tue 27 May 2008, 18:21:08

Update: Make that -$24,120. Phil's long crude oil trade is toast at 129.
I think his RBOB trade is still in the money, though, but there are still too many headlines that can have this stuff over 350 in a heartbeat. He is risking 4 cents with his stop set where it is, which is another 1680 clams, if I am not mistaken, but I guess at this point, what's another couple of grand?
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby eastbay » Tue 27 May 2008, 20:32:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'T')he faithful followers of Phi's trading recommendations are down approximately $23,120 since we started keeping track in January.

That's insane. Why do people keep listening to him anyhow?
The faithful followers of our widely mentioned 'leave it alone in a basket of energy service sector and NAT GAS stocks' recommendation are up about 40% since 01JAN08.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby pup55 » Wed 28 May 2008, 11:52:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ong July crude 13500 bracket trade stopped apprx 12900. Day traders need to call on this! Sell July Crude at 13200 stop 13600.
Sell July RBOB at 34000 - stop 34300.
Sell July heating oil at 40000 - stop 40500.
Buy July natural gas at 1100 - stop 1070.

Update: Phil evidently changed his RBOB entry point to 340 during the day yesterday. and it is nearly ready to be stopped out today, if it has not been already.

By the way, we are not calculating in the price of the commissions on each of these brilliant trades, which is dependent on who the broker is. Surely Phil, with his high profile on various news shows can charge a premium for his commissions and advice.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby pup55 » Thu 29 May 2008, 13:30:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') July 2008 3.3680 3.3805 3.3805 3.4585 3.3347 3.3841 -0.0161

Phil's RBOB trade lasted one day, was whipsawed with the news on the inventory report, and was stopped out at a 3 cent loss, $1260 down the drain.
New total: -$25,380
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')uly 2008 128.22 130.75 130.75 133.12 127.64 131.03 -2.81

He might have gotten lucky on his July crude oil short sale, which went live at 132 and has temporarily benfited from this market selloff.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Thu 29 May 2008, 16:47:21

Ha, this is the same guy who, in this article says: "This is the worst year I can remember for fog." (The text of this very article has change to exclude both this comment from Flynn and reference to Flynn himself.)
As I've posted on another board: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') discussed SPECIFICALLY with a METEOROLOGIST at the NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE in Lake Charles the EIA's statement that FOG was the reason oil was not delivered. And he said there WAS NO SIGNIFICANT FOG OR TEMPERATURE INVERSIONS THAT WOULD CAUSE A CRUDE OIL TANKER TO REMAIN OFFSHORE. (As I initially reported in the Weekly Petroleum report thread).
In the original text of that article, Phil Flynn, an analyst at Alaron Trading Corp. in Chicago states: "This is the worst year I can remember for fog." Yet, my conversations with the NWS in those locations does not support that comment at all. In fact, I just got off the phone as I was composing this post from the Houston office. The nice lady there looked all the way back to the beginning of April. NO DENSE FOG ALERTS! Same for Lake Charles. New Orleans has has no significan fog in May.
The Lake Charles guy did say that on four days in May, the fog was possibly dense enough to keep LNG tankers parked offshore but I should call the port pilots on how they handled shipping traffic on those days and crude offloading in general for the month. I'm tempted to do just that!
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby pup55 » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 13:25:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'We're short July crude from apprx 13200 - lower stop 13350.
We're short July RBOB from 34000 -stop 34300.
Buy July heating oil at 35500 - stop 35300.
Buy July natural gas at 1130 - stop 1070.')
Phil is indeed short on crude oil, and is about $5000 in the money, with the current price down around 127, and his RBOB short sale was filled yesterday at 340, and he is a couple of cents in the money on that too.

If he had a brain, and was a frequent PO.com viewer, he would put some money in his pocket rather than leave his stop so high. When the report comes out tomorrow, he will end up urinating away his profits, like he has done in the past.
Same with his RBOB trade.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby DantesPeak » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:22:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakingAroundtheCorner', 'H')a, this is the same guy who, in this article says: "This is the worst year I can remember for fog." (The text of this very article has change to exclude both this comment from Flynn and reference to Flynn himself.)

Yes, I remember him saying that on the Marketwatch web site or somewhere similar.
It's amazing the media let's those that have been chronically wrong get their say - or after the fact revised say - week after week.

There is another analyst frequently quoted (from Citibank) who's been expecting a decline in the price of oil all the way from $60. Never is there a mention that he has been terribly wrong for one year.
I suppose the media wouldn't say this anyway "We are quoting these well known, but continually wrong energy analysts, because we have determined that our readership is so superficial and uncritical in thought, that is doesn't really matter if our weekly reports on the energy market make any sense."
It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby Rubin_Flagg » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 21:40:02

When a guy like Phil says something do the opposite. You will generally make money. They are the anal-ysts you always get taken up the .... if you listen to them. Since their track record is so bad just do the opposite. I made a lot of money doing this with Abby Joseph Cohen of Goldman Sachs. I shorted everything she recommended and made money. Thanks for the tip.
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Re: phil flynn ???

Postby oilluber » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 21:55:18

phil has a hot hand right now, big gains on his short crude trade,
wow, I knew, atleast statistically speaking, he could not roll tails for a year, my hats off to the genius speculator
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