[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'M')rBean
If forests are more important than humans, lets take your logic further, do you have any shamen friends who could get rid of you? You are willing to sacrifice yourself for the good of the forests, right? Or in classical treehugging manner, do you want others to sacrifice, but not yourself since you are "enlightened"?

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')What about killing a tree? Is that a bad thing to do? What if you help the poor with the wood you get from the tree?

What about when a volcano erupts and basically does a tree genocide (herbicide?)--is that bad? Is the volcano a force of evil?

What about the other plants that have to die for the tree to live, or even the other trees that have to die for a large tree to live (sort of like in the Rush song "The Trees")?

Let's say you are an environmentalist caveman, and your policy is only to use dead wood for firewood, but one day all of the dead wood is gone and you need to chop down a live tree to heat the cave and cook the mammoth cuts. Is it okay to chop down a tree then, or should you starve and freeze to death?

If you are walking along and you see a bully tree beating up a helpless person, are you justified in jumping in and defending the helpless person?

If a tree fell on your house, would you be justified in going into the forest and dropping a house on a tree?

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'T')ree is the erection of soil. Your relationship with a tree is penis envy.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'F')orest gave birth to humans and humans have lived with forest for millions of years. Only the Oedipal complex of civilization tries to kill and rape forest, who is our father and mother. When Oedipus realizes he is the cause of plague, he blinds himself.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'F')orest gave birth to humans and humans have lived with forest for millions of years. Only the Oedipal complex of civilization tries to kill and rape forest, who is our father and mother. When Oedipus realizes he is the cause of plague, he blinds himself.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'A')nd we evolved into a too intelligent species... that now kills its prior symbiotic homes; trees.

[MrBean]

Don't know about would be modern shamans. Strictu sensu shamans are pillars of communities of northern Eurasian peoples.

What is important to realize about forest is that it is a holistic concept, an organic whole - with clearings, meadows, swamps etc.; soil, wind, waters and multitude of life. Forest is abundance

[btu2012]

Definitely. But it is not our symbiotic habitat.

Btu

[MrBean]

Don't know about you, but it is our symbiotic habitat. Lungs of the Earth, creator of fertile top-soil, most biodiversality.

[btu2012]

Who is "our" ? What nation ?

Btu

[mercurygirl]

Is drinking ice-cold maple sap wrong?

Ludi, you must be in a parallel Texas, what with all the witches and shamans and mystical thingies.

I came across this quote and was looking for a place for it. Here seems as good as any.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f God is God, He is not good,
If God is good, He is not God;
Take the even, take the odd,
I would not stay here if I could
Except for the little green leaves in the wood
And the wind on the water."

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', '
')Ludi, you must be in a parallel Texas, what with all the witches and shamans and mystical thingies.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'D')on't know about you, but it is our symbiotic habitat.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', 'I')s drinking ice-cold maple sap wrong?

[MrBean]

double

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'W')ho is "our" ? What nation ?

Btu

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'D')on't know about you, but it is our symbiotic habitat.

[MrBean]

We have a myth about Big Oak, that grew so big that it shadowed everything and nothing else could grow. Then from the sea rose a tiny man who grew into giant and fell the Big Oak with three strikes of axe. The tree that was cut down gave many blessings.

It is easy to see that the civilization of disharmonous groth ideology, the cancer like globalized culture, is a Big Oak.