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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 18:45:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'b')ut to live it 100% one has to be completely off grid, or apart enough; to the point where technology becomes harmless (how that will work I don't have an accurate idea).


I agree, but we can take some steps in that direction, most of us, to being less harmful.
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 14 May 2008, 18:55:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'T')his thread should be renamed "Ask a Shaman", (...)


I'm no shaman but will still reply.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Are all trees equally good, or are some trees bad?

Is a bad tree still more important than a good person?


All trees are equally good. More than importance, trees are humans' wise teachers.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')If a person wanted to escape his miserable existence as a human, is there any way he could be reincarnated as a tree?


Yes, but if such human was worthy of rebirth as a tree, his/her existance will not be miserable.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')I went to Disney World and saw the Pocahontas show, which has two talking trees. Do real trees consider this offensive? All of the things the two talking trees said were very pro-tree.


Trees find it childish more than offensive.


What about killing a tree? Is that a bad thing to do? What if you help the poor with the wood you get from the tree?

What about when a volcano erupts and basically does a tree genocide (herbicide?)--is that bad? Is the volcano a force of evil?

What about the other plants that have to die for the tree to live, or even the other trees that have to die for a large tree to live (sort of like in the Rush song "The Trees")?

Let's say you are an environmentalist caveman, and your policy is only to use dead wood for firewood, but one day all of the dead wood is gone and you need to chop down a live tree to heat the cave and cook the mammoth cuts. Is it okay to chop down a tree then, or should you starve and freeze to death?

If you are walking along and you see a bully tree beating up a helpless person, are you justified in jumping in and defending the helpless person?

If a tree fell on your house, would you be justified in going into the forest and dropping a house on a tree?
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby JPL » Wed 14 May 2008, 19:30:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'A')re there actually any Shamans posting in this thread?


Of course there aren't, but I'll do what I can within my infantile knowledge of the subject, have studied it a little (grin).

So what is it you want to know?

Peak Oil, as far as I see, is a symptom, not a cause. I'm sure that any shaman worth their salt would tell you that that the solutions to this problem lie entirely within the compass of the human intellect, and in the mean-time, lay-off my trees.

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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 19:33:00

I have no questions for a shaman at this time. :)
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby JPL » Wed 14 May 2008, 19:45:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'G')iven that, what kind of help would you like to ask from shamans, if you had chance?


How can I get nature to spawn a virus that rapidly deletes the entire population of India, China, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Vietnam, Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Brazil, Haiti, Venezuela, Mexico, Chile, Argentina, Columbia, El Salvador, Nigeria, Chad, Egypt, Niger, Sudan, the Congo, Ethiopia, Kenya, Somalia, Yemen, and Nicaragua but has no effect on other populations?

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You mean everyone black.

Jack, I have had a lot of respect for your posts before & that's why I hope you were drunk when you wrote that. Please tell me you were.

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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby JPL » Wed 14 May 2008, 19:54:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') have no questions for a shaman at this time. :)


I think any true shaman right now would have already toggled their yurt shut and have stocked up on yack butter & be smiling toothlessly at their grandchildren.

Such is life (grin).

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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Pops » Wed 14 May 2008, 21:17:02

Don't know nothing 'bout my history book
Don't remember much about the Shaminism I took...

Except:

All life survives until they can't
but earth, wind and sky continue


I can't remember what else is important...
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Jack » Wed 14 May 2008, 22:24:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
')You mean everyone black.

Jack, I have had a lot of respect for your posts before & that's why I hope you were drunk when you wrote that. Please tell me you were.

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Not true. The Chinese - all 1.3 billion of them - are not black. Ask them, they'll tell you.

Now how often have I suggested that the answer to excess consumption is a reduction of the population in the third world? Surely, that has been the theme of hundreds of my posts.

However, if you have an algorithm to select those you would prefer to contribute to the dieoff, I'll be glad to take a look.

Keep in mind - dieoff could easily mean a global population reduction of 4.5 billion people. And the closer those people are to you (in location or characteristics), the greater the probability that you will get to participate in the dieoff. So if you were to choose an equal distribution, then you would face about a 70% chance of getting to be part of the aforementioned dieoff.

Choose well.

I think I'll start a thread on the subject. Please drop by and share your thoughts.

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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 22:28:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'y')ou would face about a 70% chance of getting to be part of the aforementioned dieoff.


Hey, those are better than the odds I give myself!

I 100% expect to die in the die-off. :)
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 14 May 2008, 22:30:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') have no questions for a shaman at this time. :)


How about a tree surgeon?
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 22:31:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')How about a tree surgeon?


Nope, don't need one of those either. :)
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 14 May 2008, 22:44:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')How about a tree surgeon?


Nope, don't need one of those either. :)


Could you use a witch?

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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 22:46:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Could you use a witch?



Already know a bunch of them. :)
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 14 May 2008, 22:50:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Could you use a witch?



Already know a bunch of them. :)


How about a chupacabra?

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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 22:53:01

Hey, yeah!
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 14 May 2008, 22:56:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')ey, yeah!


I sensed you were needing something, I just didn't know what.
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Pops » Wed 14 May 2008, 23:03:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '[')However, if you have an algorithm to select those you would prefer to contribute to the dieoff, I'll be glad to take a look.

Don't know nothing about algorithms, nor do I have a preference about who will die except it not be one of mine.

But as far as probabilities, it seems to me the chances for survival of someone in an urban area staring into a nightscope waiting for any sign of the dieoff to fulfill their prophesies aren't much higher than someone digging grubs from under a log.

Of course the grubber wants to survive, so my point is moot I suppose.
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby threadbear » Wed 14 May 2008, 23:23:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') have no questions for a shaman at this time. :)


I think any true shaman right now would have already toggled their yurt shut and have stocked up on yack butter & be smiling toothlessly at their grandchildren.

Such is life (grin).

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You make it sound so attractive! How did that '80's song go, "I'm too sexy for my yurt"?
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Jack » Wed 14 May 2008, 23:34:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'B')ut as far as probabilities, it seems to me the chances for survival of someone in an urban area staring into a nightscope waiting for any sign of the dieoff to fulfill their prophesies aren't much higher than someone digging grubs from under a log.


Perhaps. But cast your glance back to the 1929 depression.

You will find that the politicians arranged a variety of aid for city dwellers, while those in rural areas faced privation. It is indeterminate whether the same paradigm will apply to the current festivities; but history is worthy of review.

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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Pops » Wed 14 May 2008, 23:41:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '[')Perhaps. But cast your glance back to the 1929 depression.

You are hard to pin down Jack! (check your new thread) :-D

My folks said they didn't feel poor because they were poor before the crash.

I gotta go with what I know.

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