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Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby MrBean » Wed 14 May 2008, 05:59:09

Forests are more important than humans. In the hierarchy of codepences civilizations that destroy forests, the soil, the Earth - and native peoples living in balance with nature - are suicidal, insane.

Given that, what kind of help would you like to ask from shamans, if you had chance?
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Cashmere » Wed 14 May 2008, 09:14:02

We have to fight some Kobbolds and Goblins later. Do the shamans have any spells that would be useful?
Massive Human Dieoff <b>must</b> occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where <b>you</b> live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby MrBean » Wed 14 May 2008, 10:40:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'W')e have to fight some Kobbolds and Goblins later. Do the shamans have any spells that would be useful?


Sure, try this spell: smash your gaming concole and take the pieces to the nearest recycling center. Don't have to worry about Kobbolds and Goblins no more.
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Fishman » Wed 14 May 2008, 11:05:04

MrBean
If forests are more important than humans, lets take your logic further, do you have any shamen friends who could get rid of you? You are willing to sacrifice yourself for the good of the forests, right? Or in classical treehugging manner, do you want others to sacrifice, but not yourself since you are "enlightened"?
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Colorado-Valley » Wed 14 May 2008, 13:11:28

What would a shaman do about the human population explosion?
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby basil_hayden » Wed 14 May 2008, 14:02:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'W')hat would a shaman do about the human population explosion?


Start a war.
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby dbruning » Wed 14 May 2008, 14:19:27

Do what Kirk does, embrace the ancient ways of nature!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5AF1lPRWG8
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 14:22:05

Do you mean "animistic"?
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 14:26:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', '
')If forests are more important than humans,


Seems to me humans and forests are of equal importance, as both sorts of life are here on the planet together.

Humans are generally more important to humans, but since humans very probably depend on forests for survival as a species, perhaps more humans should value forests equally with humans.

We are all parts of the community of life.
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 14 May 2008, 16:00:54

This thread should be renamed "Ask a Shaman", sort of like PrairieMule's "Ask a Nigerian."

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Shaman,

Are all trees equally good, or are some trees bad?

Is a bad tree still more important than a good person?

If a person wanted to escape his miserable existence as a human, is there any way he could be reincarnated as a tree?

I went to Disney World and saw the Pocahontas show, which has two talking trees. Do real trees consider this offensive? All of the things the two talking trees said were very pro-tree.
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 16:16:18

Are there actually any Shamans posting in this thread?

One of my friends was trained as a shaman by a shaman. My friend is an atheist. He had a mystical experience of the non-existence of God on one of his shamanic journeys.
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Jack » Wed 14 May 2008, 16:20:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'G')iven that, what kind of help would you like to ask from shamans, if you had chance?


How can I get nature to spawn a virus that rapidly deletes the entire population of India, China, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Vietnam, Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Brazil, Haiti, Venezuela, Mexico, Chile, Argentina, Columbia, El Salvador, Nigeria, Chad, Egypt, Niger, Sudan, the Congo, Ethiopia, Kenya, Somalia, Yemen, and Nicaragua but has no effect on other populations?

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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 16:24:49

This is for you, Jack:


wish
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Jack » Wed 14 May 2008, 16:53:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')his is for you, Jack:


wish


(Chuckle). That was a good one. Accurate, too...
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby bodigami » Wed 14 May 2008, 18:30:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', '
')If forests are more important than humans,


Seems to me humans and forests are of equal importance, as both sorts of life are here on the planet together.

Humans are generally more important to humans, but since humans very probably depend on forests for survival as a species, perhaps more humans should value forests equally with humans.

We are all parts of the community of life.


Humans are of equal importance than trees, unless humans don't live in harmony with nature. Everything that will ultimately lead to mass extinctions, like our technological civilization, must and will not last much time.

...it's actually quite clear. Like Taoist's life style that values harmony of humans with nature, and finally of everything, is a correct understanding.
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby bodigami » Wed 14 May 2008, 18:32:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'T')his thread should be renamed "Ask a Shaman", (...)


I'm no shaman but will still reply.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Are all trees equally good, or are some trees bad?

Is a bad tree still more important than a good person?


All trees are equally good. More than importance, trees are humans' wise teachers.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')If a person wanted to escape his miserable existence as a human, is there any way he could be reincarnated as a tree?


Yes, but if such human was worthy of rebirth as a tree, his/her existance will not be miserable.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')I went to Disney World and saw the Pocahontas show, which has two talking trees. Do real trees consider this offensive? All of the things the two talking trees said were very pro-tree.


Trees find it childish more than offensive.
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 18:34:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '
')...it's actually quite clear. Like Taoist's life style that values harmony of humans with nature, and finally of everything, is a correct understanding.


I agree. But most of us in this society are so far removed in our minds from that place, that feeling of being part of nature, it is difficult to find it, to feel it, and even more difficult to live it (harmlessly/harmoniously).
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Fishman » Wed 14 May 2008, 18:34:28

Everything that will ultimately lead to mass extinctions...
Damn those Ice Ages and large meteors hitting earth
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 May 2008, 18:36:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'E')verything that will ultimately lead to mass extinctions...
Damn those Ice Ages and large meteors hitting earth


Well yeah, some extinctions are inevitable. But is the great extinction humans are causing inevitable? Some would say "yes it is our nature" some would say "no it is not our nature."
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Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective

Unread postby bodigami » Wed 14 May 2008, 18:42:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '
')...it's actually quite clear. Like Taoist's life style that values harmony of humans with nature, and finally of everything, is a correct understanding.


I agree. But most of us in this society are so far removed in our minds from that place, that feeling of being part of nature, it is difficult to find it, to feel it, and even more difficult to live it (harmlessly/harmoniously).


Meditating near a tree is one of the best experiences I can remember... there are ways to feel it, but to live it 100% one has to be completely off grid, or apart enough; to the point where technology becomes harmless (how that will work I don't have an accurate idea).
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