[misterno]

http://www.latimes.com/news/printeditio ... 6023.story

Folks, I think it is starting to really hit the streets this time. And sounds like Prius is no big help.

[joeltrout]

Now it takes only 1 hour to go 20 miles rather than 1.5 hours.

Thankfully I dont have to travel the freeways to get to work.

However last Wednesday I took my wife to the airport around 7:30am on the 405 freeway and it was a nightmare. Even taking the 110 North to get on the 405 was packed and it is usually quick with little traffic.

When I can actually go the speed limit for more than 5 miles I will be impressed.

joeltrout

[Chaparral]

Traffic has been getting lighter. Was able to get from San Pedro to Pasadena and back to Torrance last Monday at 2:30 PM to 5:00 PM with a half hour taken to oogle all sorts of nice machine tools. Getting into DTLA for the concert/opera season is a lot easier now as well. The traffic knot that usually starts up way before Adams is now starting much closer to the 10 interchange. PCH through Lomita and Torrance is a lot easier going and the gridlock at Crenshaw is a lot lighter. The Starbucks coffee shops aren't so clogged by escrow agents, realtors and other economic hit-men either.

The 405 around La Tijera is still, well, lets just say I'll take surface streets...

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chaparral', 'T')raffic has been getting lighter. Was able to get from San Pedro to Pasadena and back to Torrance last Monday at 2:30 PM to 5:00 PM with a half hour taken to oogle all sorts of nice machine tools. Getting into DTLA for the concert/opera season is a lot easier now as well. The traffic knot that usually starts up way before Adams is now starting much closer to the 10 interchange. PCH through Lomita and Torrance is a lot easier going and the gridlock at Crenshaw is a lot lighter. The Starbucks coffee shops aren't so clogged by escrow agents, realtors and other economic hit-men either.

The 405 around La Tijera is still, well, lets just say I'll take surface streets...

[Byron100]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'h')ttp://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-me-traffic12-2008may12,0,836023.story

Folks, I think it is starting to really hit the streets this time. And sounds like Prius is no big help.

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', ' ') I honestly don't see how people do that, day in and day out...what's so hard about moving closer to one's job??

[IanC]

Byron,

I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't wait for $10-12/gallon gas. Aside from the misery and worldwide starvation that it'll cause, I think it'll be a good thing all around. Gas needs to be much more expensive for people to stop using it and for our "leaders" to begin the painful but necessary work of retooling or infrastructure for a post peak world.

As a bike commuter who marvels at the traffic reports on the radio as I cook dinner in the evening, I have to think all those people on the freeway really want things to change, too.

-Ian
Portland

[misterno]

Are you guys crazy? If gas becomes $10/gl then ethanol will be like $7-8/gl and that means corn, wheat and every other food will cost us 5 times more.

Do you want people to starve?

[Byron100]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'A')re you guys crazy? If gas becomes $10/gl then ethanol will be like $7-8/gl and that means corn, wheat and every other food will cost us 5 times more.

Do you want people to starve?

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '
')Or better yet, do like I did, cash out in an expensive area (south Florida) and move to a cheaper area (Atlanta),

[misterno]

That is what I did

I got the hell out of Boston and settled in Heaven in other words Houston.

Gotta love Houston.

As for ethanol prices, I have no hope from ethanol but the price link between oil and ethanol will not be broken and we will all starve. Since oil will continue increasing so as food.

May be this is the way life on earth will end.

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'T')hat is what I did

I got the hell out of Boston and settled in [s]Heaven[/s] HUMIDITY in other words Houston.

[Byron100]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '
')Or better yet, do like I did, cash out in an expensive area (south Florida) and move to a cheaper area (Atlanta),

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', ' ') I do think that $7 on up to $12 gas is going to change how a whole lotta people are going to live,

[Byron100]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', ' ') I do think that $7 on up to $12 gas is going to change how a whole lotta people are going to live,

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '
')True demand destruction won't kick in until the cost of fuel is very, very expensive...might want to check into the concept of "giffen good" if you have the chance.

To believe that it'll be the year 2018 before the price of gas doubles or trebles again from current levels is highly optimistic, in my opinion.

[Byron100]

I won't argue your viewpoint, as there's really no way to determine the "tip point" of cost / demand destruction, but I just feel that it's a bit optimistic to believe demand will start dropping off at $4 and $5 a gallon. But yes, China could really change the equation if they stop their increasing demand for oil, but with so many billions of our dollars they're desperate to get rid of, I just don't see that happening anytime soon either.

The way I see it, gasoline is going to get very expensive in the near future. Adapt or deal...LOL.

[misterno]

I don't think $5/gl is expensive. I lived in Turkey for many years. People pay $12/gl but make $1/hr. But nobody ever complains. Why? Because cars are much smaller, run on stick shift with diesel. and they don't use it all the time. Because they live in apartments like a hole in the wall.

So we will adjust accordingly, that's all. But I feel sorry for people living in the suburbs and SUV owners. Those houses and SUVs will go for a penny when the gas becomes more expensive. In Houston I am expecting to see huge skyscrapers to be made in the triangle of Galleria, downtown and medical center. That's my bet.

[RedStateGreen]

I'm going to soCal this summer to visit family one last time. I'm looking forward to seeing less traffic.

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', ' ')one last time.