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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby perdition79 » Mon 12 May 2008, 14:33:34

For the past few months, even Car and Driver, an auto enthusiasts' magazine, has been mentioning oil depletion. When worshippers of petroleum acknowledge its end, I'd say that's about as mainstream as you can get.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby eerae » Mon 12 May 2008, 14:46:43

I told my friends and family, hoping they would begin to prepare. They just basically said, "interesting theory," and didn't seem concerned. However I do see more signs out there--pretty soon everyone will be coming to the same conclusion and I won't want to say 'I told you so.' However, I don't really want EVERYONE else coming to that conclusion right now. That will only precipitate the crash, which I want to put off for as long as possible. I still need more time for our family to prepare, but it is too late now for our government to do anything meaningful to help us transition. I am hoping for another couple years, but I'm not sure that we have that.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby SpringCreekFarm » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:02:44

I've been hearing the MSM refer to it as supply and demand problems but I have yet to hear the words 'peak oil' spoken by these talking heads.

All of the symptoms are there. The effects are starting but the MSM is not connecting the dots.

Like others have stated, it will take a famous person to say the words. Then that person will have been THE big hero. What insight. Who could have known?.....</sarcasm>

Oprah? HA! I think people like her are aware that there is a possibility that there might be a problem but since it would probably destroy her wealth along with all the big shot's wealth, she would never dream of uttering those words on her show.

What a day it will be when the State of the Union Address has some PO content. As long as it isn't Bush saying it, whereby it would not be taken seriously at all.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby Pops » Mon 12 May 2008, 15:12:52

Every once in a while I Google portions of our intro page (http://www.peakoil.com/sample/) just to see what comes up. I havent done this in a while but here are a couple links with quotes lifted from that page, unattributed of course :)

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[url=http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HTOovVM21mQJ:www.appgopo.org.uk/events/08_290408/salameh.ppt+%22With+some+exceptions,+this+holds+true+for+a+single+well,+a+whole+field,+an+entire+region,+and+presumably+the+world.%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a] The All Party Parliamentary Group On Peak Oil
“The Economic Impact of Peak Oil”
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Tuesday 29th April 2008, 6:30 pm-8:00 pm[/url]
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby Dreamtwister » Mon 12 May 2008, 16:09:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', 'L')ike others have stated, it will take a famous person to say the words. Then that person will have been THE big hero. What insight. Who could have known?.....</sarcasm>


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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby Aaron » Mon 12 May 2008, 17:19:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'E')very once in a while I Google portions of our intro page (http://www.peakoil.com/sample/) just to see what comes up. I havent done this in a while but here are a couple links with quotes lifted from that page, unattributed of course :)

Equitys provides corporate finance services and carries out tailor made strategic mandates for international groups in services and industry.

Hiroshima

[url=http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HTOovVM21mQJ:www.appgopo.org.uk/events/08_290408/salameh.ppt+%22With+some+exceptions,+this+holds+true+for+a+single+well,+a+whole+field,+an+entire+region,+and+presumably+the+world.%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a] The All Party Parliamentary Group On Peak Oil
“The Economic Impact of Peak Oil”
The House of Commons
Tuesday 29th April 2008, 6:30 pm-8:00 pm[/url]


tsk tsk...
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby Aaron » Mon 12 May 2008, 17:22:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'E')very once in a while I Google portions of our intro page (http://www.peakoil.com/sample/) just to see what comes up. I havent done this in a while but here are a couple links with quotes lifted from that page, unattributed of course :)

Equitys provides corporate finance services and carries out tailor made strategic mandates for international groups in services and industry.

Hiroshima

[url=http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HTOovVM21mQJ:www.appgopo.org.uk/events/08_290408/salameh.ppt+%22With+some+exceptions,+this+holds+true+for+a+single+well,+a+whole+field,+an+entire+region,+and+presumably+the+world.%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a] The All Party Parliamentary Group On Peak Oil
“The Economic Impact of Peak Oil”
The House of Commons
Tuesday 29th April 2008, 6:30 pm-8:00 pm[/url]


tsk tsk...


http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Any+f ... luding+oil),+will+have+a+beginning,+middle,+and+an+end+of+production,+and+at+some+point+it+will+reach+a+level+of+maximum+output%22&hl=en&filter=0
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby vision-master » Mon 12 May 2008, 18:11:23

8 fricken hits. Yippe.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby Revi » Mon 12 May 2008, 21:49:51

I was saying the it hasn't hit the mainstream yet, and then I looked in our local newspaper and saw this today:

http://morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/v ... 35130.html

I almost fell out of my chair!
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby vision-master » Mon 12 May 2008, 22:23:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') was saying the it hasn't hit the mainstream yet, and then I looked in our local newspaper and saw this today:

http://morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/v ... 35130.html

I almost fell out of my chair!


Wow, sounds like someone from this forum.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he real issue that McCain, Clinton and anyone truly serious about gas prices must confront is peak oil.

Peak oil theorists do not suggest that the Earth will surrender its last drop of oil anytime soon. Rather, they contend that the world's oil supply has, or soon will, hit its upper limit, and then shrink. This, the end of abundant oil, spells the end of cheap oil.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby GoghGoner » Mon 12 May 2008, 22:29:35

When the US medical journal with the widest circulation, JAMA, published this article last October I decided it was mainstream.

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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby eastbay » Mon 12 May 2008, 22:30:13

Wow Aaron, interesting collection of unattributed quotes... well, except for the last one which will take too long to read so I can't tell if they attributed it or not.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the assorted peak oil related quotes found all over the net originated right here. I mean besides 'zombie hordes', which we all know started right here! :)
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby Revi » Mon 12 May 2008, 22:43:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') was saying the it hasn't hit the mainstream yet, and then I looked in our local newspaper and saw this today:

http://morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/v ... 35130.html

I almost fell out of my chair!


Wow, sounds like someone from this forum.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he real issue that McCain, Clinton and anyone truly serious about gas prices must confront is peak oil.

Peak oil theorists do not suggest that the Earth will surrender its last drop of oil anytime soon. Rather, they contend that the world's oil supply has, or soon will, hit its upper limit, and then shrink. This, the end of abundant oil, spells the end of cheap oil.


It would be amazing to have a peak oil candidate for president. Someone who knows about the problem and is going to do something about it. I'm not holding my breath for it, though.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby Ferretlover » Mon 12 May 2008, 22:50:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')Wow, sounds like someone from this forum.


It most certainly does!
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby yesplease » Tue 13 May 2008, 01:36:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', 'A') lot of educated people in China get it. Having read from other posters what the average American thinks, not just about Peak Oil but environmental issues as well, I'd say people over here are a lot more clued in. However, they still believe that "they" will find a "solution."
That's probably because they already have. Only recently have they found the problem.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby Novus » Tue 13 May 2008, 02:59:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('perdition79', 'F')or the past few months, even Car and Driver, an auto enthusiasts' magazine, has been mentioning oil depletion. When worshippers of petroleum acknowledge its end, I'd say that's about as mainstream as you can get.


They have covered the Tesla Roadster recently so I would say they are thinking EVs will replace the ICE age when it comes to happy motoring. The worst they could possibly see happening is some expensive gas until we can make the switch over. Never would they consider a future without cars or where cars are relegated to the museums.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby Micki » Tue 13 May 2008, 04:14:43

PO is definelty a more commonly used term and a lot of people seems to grasp the idea that oil supplies might struggle to keep up.

Wasn't long ago whenever I mentioned oil depletion in the office for instance I would get everyone countering with thunder horse, arctic oil, venezuela etc. Not they just seem to accept that there really is a problem out there and when I assure them shale isn't going to be the saviour they accept it. They are of course still waiting for "someone" to fix the problem, but still it is some sort of progress.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby Jack » Tue 13 May 2008, 04:19:28

Has it hit mainstream yet? Barely.

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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby mos6507 » Tue 13 May 2008, 05:04:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('perdition79', 'F')or the past few months, even Car and Driver, an auto enthusiasts' magazine, has been mentioning oil depletion. When worshippers of petroleum acknowledge its end, I'd say that's about as mainstream as you can get.


They are only mentioning it in order to reassure their readership that the problem is too far off to worry about and can be resolved through ethanol. They just can't come to grips with the idea that the anthropomorphic growling internal combustion engine might go away.
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Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream?

Postby FreakOil » Tue 13 May 2008, 05:30:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', 'A') lot of educated people in China get it. Having read from other posters what the average American thinks, not just about Peak Oil but environmental issues as well, I'd say people over here are a lot more clued in. However, they still believe that "they" will find a "solution."
That's probably because they already have. Only recently have they found the problem.


More than 80% of freight in China is transported by truck. Imagine trying to haul all those DVD players and whatnot to the nearest port on bicycles.

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